Gun at checkpoint
 

This makes me mad. It makes us all look like we're either crazy or stupid.

Southwest Airlines pilot arrested with a loaded gun at TSA checkpoint - Business Insider

:mad:

It's been addressed. Worry about yourself.

I have zero worry about getting arrested at the airport for carrying a gun. Thanks for your concern.

It's addressed huh? Glad there aren't thousands of people in the US thinking that we're idiots then at the very moment then.

Was the pilot not arrested? It's been addressed.

You're the thought police now? Mind your own business.

The guy made a mistake for which he will pay, especially in New York.

Life's too short to take offense every time someone else in the profession does something you don't like. Do you fret over someone not wearing their hat? Tie not perfect?

Law enforcement has taken action. They really don't need your help. This is an excellent time to mind your own business.

Southwest pilot caught with loaded gun
 

Albany NY

Southwest co-pilot had gun in carry-on at Albany International Airport, TSA says - Times Union

Is the guy with the gun a friend of yours?

Don't know him from Adam. Or Eve, for that matter.

I really don't care who he is, either. Do you?

"A Southwest Airlines first officer was detained at the Albany International Airport security checkpoint before his scheduled flight to Chicago Midway Airport today. The Pilot indicated that he was unaware a weapon was in his carryon bag."
It is a big deal, especially if he started his trip at another airport. This is something that affects all of us who use kcm. No need to get defensive!

He started it in NOLA and used KCM there. This absolutely affects us. What a moron.

He made a mistake and it is one of many mistakes crews make nationally that could impact KCM. So, yes, it is my business.

Perhaps you can rush to New York and testify against him, or perhaps even get in on a lynching. It's not too late, you know.

I prefer to condemn him here. Someone who doesn't get the mental capacity to remember he has a loaded gun in his carry on has no business flying 121. Wanton disregard of firearms safety, travel and company regulations.

Yawn...
My father used to bring his shotgun to school so he could go hunting right after class...
How times change...

You're right. How terrible that guns aren't allowed in airports and airplanes, especially being held by people who forget they have a loaded firearm in their suitcase.

Another nail in the KCM coffin. Thanks WN.....The group that did nothing to get KCM will be the ones expediting its demise.


Want to get away?

With your claimed hand to gun combat skills you've got nothing to worry about. All is well when CBreezy is on board.

On the bright side, at least it wasn't a UAL pilot! :)

You're being obtuse. The whole reason TSA and airport security measures exist is because of the fact that the actions of a few bad characters
effect millions. I consider the KCM program to be privilege that I am thankful for every time I use. To say that incidents like this don't place the program in jeopardy is foolish.

Every crew member that utilizes KCM for work or pleasure has the right to judge this guy. Whether it was a mistake or intentional he's putting the privilege of KCM at risk for all of us. It's irresponsible.

I am sure he has an NRA sticker on his pickup truck and a Make America Great Again hat in the window.........

The illiteratati has consumed our country.

Yes, such as the 09/11 hijackers.

The screening worked. The firearm was detected, the pilot arrested. No buildings fell. The world did not come to a screeching halt. Time did not stand still, and you're still here.

Has the sky fallen yet?

Get a rope. Someone burn a cross, and dont forget to throw eggs and toilet paper at the guy's garage. No need for the police when there are airline keyboard commandos on patrol, ready to shame on a moment's notice. Thank God you're here. This guy nearly got away with it.

Shame. Shame on him. A moment of silence, if you will, so that the more self-righteous among us may focus on their anger and hate.

Troll. You're looking for a fight. Not getting one from me.

The screening didn't work. He successfully circumvented security in NOLA at KCM. They won't hesitate to get rid of KCM if it poses a security risk.

JohnBurke, you are stuck in your own world. The actions of the WN pilot clearly affect all of us, and not in a good way. That's more than obvious to the most of us. Your rebuttal is purely emotional and void of any intelligent or analytical argument defending our gun toting colleague.

Good point :D

And it wasn't the SAME level of stupidity at first, just later. But there WAS that UAL pilot that forgot he had ammo in his bag on trip to Europe. Tried to throw it in the trash without the FA's knowing about it/saying something. THEN decides to flush it in the lav.

A prime example of not really making a simple mistake, it's in how galatacally stupid one handles said mistake....

Dont be ridiculous. If it were a UAL pilot, he'd have planted it on a paying passenger and had the poor bastard dragged off the airplane kicking and screaming.

This was New York, remember, a communist state where people are hanged, then drawn and quarted for having thought of drawing a picture of a firearm.

One guy and a mistake doth not a program destroy.

There are a few here chomping at the bit to destroy him, however.

I don't think the "addressing" is done. There will probably be some "addressing" on how he could have possibly gotten to ALB with a gun in his bag.

My business involves using KCM. Don't know if your's does. I mind.

I'm sure he will pay for his mistake. I hope I don't have to pay for his mistake elsewhere in the system when I transit KCM in uniform.

"Offense" is too strong a word, but I think your premise ignores the repercussions of a dumb thing done by an airline pilot.

I've never flown a Q400, nor responded inappropriately to a stall warning, yet I undergo refresher training each year to satisfy regulator's concerns that I might do something dumb in such a situation. I've never slept in a crew lounge overnight then shown up for my trip fatigued, but I have new regulations to address concerns that I might suddenly disregard human physiology and common sense and so just that.

So yeah, there's something here that bothers me.

Perhaps you don't need to take offense to pilots who view this as something that could impact us all.

This doesn't make us all look crazy or stupid. There are 60k+ airline pilots in the US, stuff is going to happen. Learn to understand probabilities/statistics.

Ehhhhh, not so sure thats a valid one.

BEFORE the Colgan, every training/checking event we went through had the completely stupid/unrealistic stall "training" PTS standards from decades ago that weren't AT ALL real world.

After that, airlines adopted much more realistic/real world training to deal with stall recovery.

Use a different bag for weapons, never the one you take to work. The cost of a second bag is trivial compared to your career.

That's so obvious that, yes, this guy is an idiot.

So what gets me is the fact that he overnighted somewhere and still did not notice he had a gun. Its not a room key or a computer, its a loaded gun carried across statelines and security.

Pretty much, just like the SKW pilot.

Just like the above mentioned pilot.

He will be kicked out of KCM, fined, and face disciplinary action at work. Nobody else is losing KCM. GMAFB.
Yes, epic stupidity. Good to know nobody here has ever made a mistake.

I think most people are frustrated with the gross negligence of the individual. Obviously, every one of us has made mistakes.

True, and.......

.....true.

And like many other things, ALL that's disclosed thus far is what the media has released, so who REALLY KNOWS?

But if it' true that it wasn't DAY 1, said individual started earlier, etc etc etc, then the premise of "made a mistake" would be a tough sell on the accountability/forgiven front.

JUST LIKE THE UAL CA. It's not about the mistake, it's how one handles said mistake THAT MATTERS.

Its only a big deal because its NY. Some states dont even care.

Every single state cares that someone is trying to bring a loaded weapon, illegally, on an airplane.

You're right, good logic. That's how we should think about the dozens of guns brought through security by the flying public. There are 100000000+ adult Americans, so guns coming through security is statistically just going to happen. Not a big deal.

Good work on being statistically exceptional KC135.

And yes, a pilot getting caught bringing a gun through security is going to marginally take away from the respect given to all of us, not to mention contributing to the likelihood of all of us losing expedited security, which is the more irritating part to me. Especially when, unlike other mistakes, this is such an unforced error.

Combined with how certain topics are in the rotation in the news. Since the airlines have made the cycle this week, ANYTHING airline related makes the news.

On another week, had there been a political scandal, a police shooting, etc we wouldn't even be hearing about.......