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Mesabah 06-03-2017 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by NEDude (Post 2373631)
So they are funded by corporations that have a vested interest in avoiding environmental regulations? Got it...

Isn't that the same as saying the government funded climate scientists must be biased, because the corporate ones are.



Climate change is a natural phenomenon, yet the rate of change is the so called "problem". The name should be Climate rate change, but that's semantics.


Scientists take current, and historical data to produce climate models, which they draw conclusions. Over the past 40 years, these models have been horribly inaccurate. Those 97% of scientists came to their conclusions based on models that were up to 8 std deviations wrong. The only models that were correct were based on negligible man-made influence. However, these institutions now claim, today they have better models, and to simply check back in another decade, when they'll be right, this time. In the mean time, we are supposed to hand them trillions in tax dollars. Asking for financial compensation based on false mathematical modeling is the very definition of a scam, even if there is consensus.

CBreezy 06-03-2017 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by mooney (Post 2373640)
The most basic google search of the Portland idiot will show he was a Sanders supporter. Facebook screen shots and all. He hated Hillary and to a lesser degree Trump. But since MSNBC and Salon told you he was a white supremacist, well then he must be "hardline conservative."

Christian is a known right wing extremist and white supremacist. On April 29, Christian showed up to the right-wing "March for Free Speech" on 82nd Avenue in Montavilla with a baseball bat in an attempt to assault left-wing protesters. The bat was quickly confiscated by Portland police officers. He ranted how he was a nihilist. He'd soon yelled racial slurs ("**** all you n*****s") and gave the Nazi salute throughout the day. He yelled "Hail Vinland" throughout the day.

Mesabah 06-03-2017 11:18 AM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 2373695)
Christian is a known right wing extremist and white supremacist. On April 29, Christian showed up to the right-wing "March for Free Speech" on 82nd Avenue in Montavilla with a baseball bat in an attempt to assault left-wing protesters. The bat was quickly confiscated by Portland police officers. He ranted how he was a nihilist. He'd soon yelled racial slurs ("**** all you n*****s") and gave the Nazi salute throughout the day. He yelled "Hail Vinland" throughout the day.

Sounds like he is more teh crazy than politically motivated.

Gypsy Pilot 06-03-2017 11:56 AM


Originally Posted by thevagabond (Post 2373645)
Exactly. Easily researched and even the most rabid of Trumpers and anti-science anti-truth people can't deny the relationship. But they will anyway.

You've thrown out a lot of accusations, made a lot of nonsense comparisons yet not once have you made a cogent and reasoned argument to support your claims regarding global warming. Make an argument or don't say anything. Ridiculing may be effective in shutting people up but it doesn't make a good argument to support your ideas.

Lemons 06-03-2017 12:06 PM


Originally Posted by atpcliff (Post 2373439)
Just read today:
Many Americans believe chocolate milk comes from brown cows.

Energy:
One of the biggest job growth areas has been in wind/solar construction/installation/maintenance. trump wants to slow down those areas of energy production.

Doesn't mean it's viable, renewables are not a viable alternative to powering this country over traditional power sources. For right now they are just nothing more than gimmicks.

Lemons 06-03-2017 12:09 PM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 2373556)
Forget the politics. Forget the left-right arguments. Just focus on the science. It's like vaccines, evolution ... There is a scientific consensus whether you like it or not. If someone were to publish a peer-reviewed study that refutes it -- they'd win a Nobel prize.

https://skepticalscience.com/

The science doesn't prove or even show humans are the cause or can affect he climate.

Either way at the end of the day nobody is stoping any of these green companies from developing third tech, or stopping Tesla from seeling cars or preventing any of you from going vegan or using you bare hand to wipe your​ butt with. It just took the federal government out of the business which it never should have been in to begin with.

This is really what the lefts rage is about. Losing more control.

bay982 06-03-2017 12:13 PM


Originally Posted by Gypsy Pilot (Post 2373713)
You've thrown out a lot of accusations, made a lot of nonsense comparisons yet not once have you made a cogent and reasoned argument to support your claims regarding global warming. Make an argument or don't say anything. Ridiculing may be effective in shutting people up but it doesn't make a good argument to support your ideas.

You're missing the point. No one on this forum is qualified to make a claim regarding climate change.

It is akin to a non-pilot telling 97% of pilots they're ​flying wrong.

Which is why we rely on scientists.

So if you say it isn't happening, the only way to support your argument is to provide links to scientific research, in the form of peer-reviewed studies. Or some concrete evidence of a conspiracy on the part of hundreds of scientific organizations.

In decades worth of following the subject I've seen not a single piece of well-researched evidence of either.

The onus is on folks who do not want to listen to the scientific consensus.

Or, they can admit, which I'm coming to believe is a more honest truth, that they don't really care whether the climate is changing because of human activity.

bay982 06-03-2017 12:17 PM


Originally Posted by Lemons (Post 2373717)
Doesn't mean it's viable, renewables are not a viable alternative to powering this country over traditional power sources. For right now they are just nothing more than gimmicks.

This is ridiculously incorrect according to physicists, link provided. Do you have some information they don't, or is it just a feeling of yours?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=/amp/s/phys.org/news/2017-04-renewable-power-capacity-added-worldwide.amp&ved=0ahUKEwjEqaXNvqLUAhUFx2MKHZ7jCWw QFggsMAI&usg=AFQjCNGrjdd3HNeJTuovG-g1moUiyEaaHg&sig2=GeC7YBeDsJGAzTQ4ZwrGYQ

GogglesPisano 06-03-2017 12:19 PM


Originally Posted by Lemons (Post 2373719)
The science doesn't prove or even show humans are the cause or can affect he climate.

Either way at the end of the day nobody is stoping any of these green companies from developing third tech, or stopping Tesla from seeling cars or preventing any of you from going vegan or using you bare hand to wipe your​ butt with. It just took the federal government out of the business which it never should have been in to begin with.

This is really what the lefts rage is about. Losing more control.

Guess you didn't visit that website.

https://skepticalscience.com/empiric...al-warming.htm

bay982 06-03-2017 12:20 PM


Originally Posted by Lemons (Post 2373719)
The science doesn't prove or even show humans are the cause or can affect he climate.

Either way at the end of the day nobody is stoping any of these green companies from developing third tech, or stopping Tesla from seeling cars or preventing any of you from going vegan or using you bare hand to wipe your​ butt with. It just took the federal government out of the business which it never should have been in to begin with.

This is really what the lefts rage is about. Losing more control.

And here is one of the world's premier scientific organization correcting you, and dismissing your baseless claim.

http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science_and_impacts/science/human-contribution-to-gw-faq.html#.WTMZhstlBnE


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