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Old 06-07-2019, 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
IIRC, RR bailed on NMA, but they still have two vendors lined up.

NMA *should * be relatively quick and easy to be build. They are not trying out a bunch of new gee-whiz tech or production paradigms (like 787), it's more an exercise in applying existing tech (much of it new-ish but already flying on other planes) to a different size niche. Same with motors, they'll use existing cores, tweaked for the specific mission. They know it has to get to market (relatively) quickly, otherwise the niche will get filled with buses of one flavor or another.
Yeah, but which existing cores? This plane has to compete against the GTF A321XLR. For Boeing, they are stuck delaying till the UltraFan is available with Variable Pitch in 2030ish.
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Old 06-07-2019, 07:42 AM
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Yeah, but which existing cores? This plane has to compete against the GTF A321XLR. For Boeing, they are stuck delaying till the UltraFan is available with Variable Pitch in 2030ish.
Ultrafan is RR.

PW is still in the mix, I assume they can readily adjust one of their existing GTFs.
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Old 06-07-2019, 01:27 PM
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Ultrafan is RR.

PW is still in the mix, I assume they can readily adjust one of their existing GTFs.
The PW UHBGTF started concept testing late last year, its slated EIS isn't till 2030. That engine is to compete with the UltraFan. The only company that can maybe do the 797 is an upscaled CFM Leap. However, the A321XLR will still kill that plane in fuel burn, as a GTF can't be beat on long range flying.
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Old 06-07-2019, 11:59 PM
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More likely than not I would imagine they sling a GTF on it with room to grow to future tech, now that fan diameters are not going to be growing as exponentially as they have between theJT8D and today.
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Old 06-08-2019, 06:29 AM
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More likely than not I would imagine they sling a GTF on it with room to grow to future tech, now that fan diameters are not going to be growing as exponentially as they have between theJT8D and today.
The whole fan diameter issue with the 737 is why some folks suspect NMA might be the foundation of a new NB type as well. They can get the thing flying before airbus is even sure about what they're up to, then wham, roll out a single-aisle fuselage they've developed on the DL.
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A government contract for a new type of narrowbody that pays for the development costs would save Boeing, so you might be on to something.
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