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Excargodog 06-11-2021 06:31 AM

Is this just virtue signaling?
 
Or do these companies really think shuffling their pax to the airport at 200 mph, 4 pax at a time with a single pilot is going to be a money maker? Seems sort of iffy from a business perspective.

https://i.ibb.co/C05jPbm/AAAAE356-AE...-DCC0-EBA0.jpg

rickair7777 06-11-2021 06:49 AM

In the modern era, leadership training/education programs tend to emphasize the hazards (and lessons learned from the past) associated with complacency and failure to recognize and react to future trends (especially disruptive trends). So business leaders today are probably a little spring-loaded to not get left behind in the dust and wind up like Blockbuster or Kodak... somebody at UAL seems to be leaning into some of these maybe future things.

Excargodog 06-11-2021 07:30 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3248469)
In the modern era, leadership training/education programs tend to emphasize the hazards (and lessons learned from the past) associated with complacency and failure to recognize and react to future trends (especially disruptive trends). So business leaders today are probably a little spring-loaded to not get left behind in the dust and wind up like Blockbuster or Kodak... somebody at UAL seems to be leaning into some of these maybe future things.

Yeah, but that wasn’t the question. The question was if - in a time of pilot shortage - having a single pilot shuttling people from heliport to heliport or heliport to airport four at a time - will actually bring in a profit? Clearly, larger helicopters have done that in the past, carrying as many as 14 pax in an S-76 for high end corporate pax
https://www.blade.com/p/jfk
although the profitability of those companies is a little suspect. And even those did twin pilot ops in some weather. Not saying it can’t be done - we put a man on the moon - just wondering if it can be done profitably.

rickair7777 06-11-2021 10:09 AM

Virtue signalling is possible. Just saying that they might not care if there's a clear business case at this point, just don't want somebody else to beat them to the punch with something disruptive.

VC's for example don't need definitive proof that a business concept will succeed, they assume that most will not, but the one that goes big time more than pays for all the others. The art of VC is getting the ratio right.

As for pilots, yeah where are you going to get them? Will eVTOL time count towards ATP mins? Maybe UAL could wire that into their pilot development pathway program. Maybe they're planning on a high degree of automation such that they can use a dumbed-down pilot rating and basically hire uber drivers. Since an eVTOL can land automatically and pretty much immediately wherever it happens to be, you can probably get away with fewer pilot skills. Also if the lift systems fails, the computer can handle that better than a human, or not at all. I don't think those pilots will need any sort of rotor type skills.

JohnBurke 06-11-2021 10:28 AM

There is no pilot shortage. There never was.

Kit Darby sold hot air.

rickair7777 06-11-2021 10:48 AM


Originally Posted by JohnBurke (Post 3248573)
There is no pilot shortage. There never was.

Kit Darby sold hot air.

There might be a shortage if they deploy a lot of flying ubers (with revenue potential of about $11.37 per pax per trip) and the job requires a CPL.

Shortage at the top tier? Nah. But you might argue that there is more opportunity this decade than is typical.

fasteddie800 06-11-2021 02:34 PM

Ehhh, it's all vaporware.

Airlines are just making these splashy announcements to try to keep their names in the news, and hopefully get a little stock bounce.

DropTank 06-11-2021 07:44 PM

What the hell is Virtue Signaling?

rickair7777 06-11-2021 09:43 PM


Originally Posted by DropTank (Post 3248794)
What the hell is Virtue Signaling?

Been on deployment for a while?

DropTank 06-12-2021 01:52 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3248815)
Been on deployment for a while?

They don't let me out much.

Google definition didn't make much sense.

JohnBurke 06-12-2021 05:21 AM

I never heard of it, either.

TiredSoul 06-12-2021 05:28 AM

Like you see 100’s if not 1000’s of these things whizzing through the sky going back and forth between airports and city centers?
Like without a fatality every 3-4 minutes?
Yeah right….


the action or practice of publicly expressing opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate one's good character or the moral correctness of one's position on a particular issue.

galaxy flyer 06-12-2021 03:47 PM


Originally Posted by TiredSoul (Post 3248883)
Like you see 100’s if not 1000’s of these things whizzing through the sky going back and forth between airports and city centers?
Like without a fatality every 3-4 minutes?
Yeah right….

Ever fly in/out of São Paulo? Helos are like gnats there.

rickair7777 06-12-2021 06:51 PM


Originally Posted by TiredSoul (Post 3248883)
Like you see 100’s if not 1000’s of these things whizzing through the sky going back and forth between airports and city centers?
Like without a fatality every 3-4 minutes?
Yeah right….

I suspect the routing and separation would highly automated (and not in B,C,D airspace unless making a pickup or delivery). By the operator, not ATC.

Excargodog 06-12-2021 07:22 PM


Originally Posted by galaxy flyer (Post 3249154)
Ever fly in/out of São Paulo? Helos are like gnats there.

https://i.ibb.co/vzN5rrq/609-A01-C8-...-EFCA7-A35.jpg

And they die like flies…

DropTank 06-13-2021 04:55 AM

Ok, it means pandering.
A fancy phrase for Corporate Pandering.

Was that so hard?

rickair7777 06-13-2021 07:21 AM


Originally Posted by DropTank (Post 3249311)
Ok, it means pandering.
A fancy phrase for Corporate Pandering.

Was that so hard?

It's not limited to corporations, by any means. It's almost a blood-sport in some social demographics.

DropTank 06-13-2021 02:41 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3249372)
It's not limited to corporations, by any means. It's almost a blood-sport in some social demographics.

So, just Pandering.


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