Complex, with you there all the way. Born & raised Army green. Witnessed the war in Vietnam split this country in two.

Killed in the line of duty is closure done clean. Not so much for those left behind without husbands, sons, brothers, dads. Not for those left blind, burned, crippled, deranged. Simply put there will be war always. Explaining why something even AI is too slow, too primitive to sort out. My 2 penny takeaway from our little thread drama here? Otherwise innocent people can’t help blaming each other for what they are or aren’t doing to keep the fire fed. Peace in our time? Probably not.

 

why do you have beef with people calling out cargo? But not have beef with cargo failing to post an article about what just happened in romania(as an example)?

why did you answer a post meant for cargo and reference yourself in the 3rd person?

can you truly not see the pattern you are laying down? What other conclusions should people come to?

please answer with normal words if you have the integrity

 

Chitcan the integrity crap Hub. We’re both long past that mileage marker.
3rd person(meto)is an imaginary sock. Socks are used to open dialogue in disputes so participants can express feelings without shame or guilt. There is no meto no guido. As disclosed previously, just a callout used by round engine yucks I once worked with. Shouted 100 times, funny 100 times. I don’t know Ex. Don’t know anyone commenting here that I’m aware of. Highly unlikely a bot imo. If you ask, he’d probably confirm posting positions where we’ve sharply diverged. Jerry is a council 12 hammer. Hubcapped, Ukraini connected partisan. Justifiably spring loaded to confront any & all dissent of critical support. If ex can dispense w feckless I’m prepared to shelve the sock talk. Okay?

 

lol, so non answer it is.

So your position is that a country that has been invaded by a brutal murdering oppressive regime should just give up its land, freedom, and people because war is bad? Despite the FACT that the overwhelming majority of that population is in favor of the current ukranian government and its policy to resist the invasion and subsequent subjugation?
Pretty amazing position from a hubris filled half drunk incoherent narcissist that refers to himself in the 3rd person, whilst sitting in his home protected from the Russian SELF stated goal of reconstituting the USSR and the turmoil that would ensue with our largest trading partner (EU)……

that about sums it up?

if poking fun at you and the RU bot (who magically didnt post an article about the recent romanian vote, nor the ukranian poll supporting zelinsky as an example) is a “ukranian shill” as you put it…..then sure, im a ukranian bot.

Did you serve in the US military? Have you ever put your life on the line to defend your nation?

doubtful….

thank god arrogant cowards like you werent around when alfred was stuck in his swamp furiously writing letters or wed be speaking danish.

If a nation wants to fight, let them, this ends the second russia stops shooting. Not sure why this is so hard for you to understand, but then again youve never risked anything for anyone, yet sit here spouting that hodges doesnt know what hes talking about, and that ukranian daughters should just lay down and get raped by the russian mafia in perpetuity………disgusting

 

I find myself in rare agreement with Hub, though probably not in the manner he means.

We (the US) have been involved in a number of long term wars in the post WW2 era, generally with good (if somewhat naive) intentions. Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, and several of our Mideast incursions we (the corporate we - both the US government and the American people) really didn’t understand the culture of those we were dealing with and sort of arrogantly assumed we’d be doing them a favor by converting them to our culture and they would then be grateful to us for doing that. None of those incursions have worked out particularly well for us - at least not so far. And I speak from personal experience on a couple of those incursions. And like most everybody with me, I had good intentions, but experience is a good teacher. Sometimes the path to hell is indeed paved with good intentions. For all those good intentions, we never convinced the locals by force or bribery of the wisdom of our ways, which doesn’t mean American culture isn’t good or that it shouldn’t be emulated, simply that it must be SOLD to other cultures rather than enforced upon them.

Surely military force in protection of our country is warranted, but most of our recent battles were wars of choice, not defense. And I’ve come through those experiences believing it will likely be more effective if we are simply a good example that they will ultimately CHOOSE to emulate than if we try to force them into our mold. They come from a different background and different history and we have been repeatedly surprised by their unwillingness to be coerced into what we believe is the reasonable thing for them to do. Maybe it’s time to give up on coercive wars of choice.

 

Simple. Ukraine is not my home. If you stand in the way of securing our streets, 1st, I really don’t gas where you come from or what you’ve claimed to achieve here. Demand US jeopardy for a trench slog in the Urals, go get in line.

 

Who’s Alfred? Speaking Danish..wat? Like it or not, this war & this thread are now more likely into their last act. No yankee gold, no war.

 

oh my mistake, for someone who is a self declared military genius and knows better than the nato commander i assumed you knew your military history……….

 

cool story bot…


how come you didnt post an article about the romanian elections?
how come you didnt post an article about the recent ukranian polling?
how come you didn’t post an article about recent aid packages?

agenda driven traitor

 

Pretty much agree with what you write.
Except you imply that our providing material aid to Ukraine is similar to our involvements in Viet Nam, Afghanistan Mid-east etc. The only one here with similarities are Korea and Iraq-Kuwait.
This is about attempting to keep the main structures of the post WW2 order intact.

We are not attempting to reorder the world as we tried in our post 9/11 wars.
This one is pretty straight forward.