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Excargodog 10-01-2023 03:50 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 3704870)
I guess the creation of the House and Senate wasn't a compromise but an edict from the King.

No. it was an attempt to make government as dysfunctional as possible by the “the government is best which governs least” crowd.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-not-thoreau/#

Red Forman 10-01-2023 04:03 PM


Originally Posted by Bestglide (Post 3705035)
no more money for Ukraine till our own border is secure….

In a normal country with a normal president this wouldn’t be controversial.

ExperimentalAB 10-01-2023 04:37 PM


Originally Posted by Red Forman (Post 3705045)
In a normal country with a normal president this wouldn’t be controversial.

Trying to grasp how anybody can’t see that this very plainly our war, except we have others fighting it for us. If Ukraine goes, the next shooting war will be us right alongside NATO - we need Ukraine to win and at any cost.

PossibleDeviation 10-01-2023 04:48 PM


Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB (Post 3705058)
Trying to grasp how anybody can’t see that this very plainly our war, except we have others fighting it for us. If Ukraine goes, the next shooting war will be us right alongside NATO - we need Ukraine to win and at any cost.

JFC - Turn the mainstream propaganda off!!

Name User 10-01-2023 04:48 PM


Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB (Post 3705058)
Trying to grasp how anybody can’t see that this very plainly our war, except we have others fighting it for us. If Ukraine goes, the next shooting war will be us right alongside NATO - we need Ukraine to win and at any cost.

"we" don't, many in europe do

"america bad" except when we pay for their security

Andy 10-01-2023 04:57 PM


Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB (Post 3705058)
Trying to grasp how anybody can’t see that this very plainly our war, except we have others fighting it for us. If Ukraine goes, the next shooting war will be us right alongside NATO - we need Ukraine to win and at any cost.

I presume you think that NATO's aggressive expansion has no bearing on this.

rickair7777 10-01-2023 04:59 PM


Originally Posted by Andy (Post 3705068)
I presume you think that NATO's aggressive expansion has no bearing on this.

No, there's no "aggressive expansion. It's just other nations joining of their own free will and volition. I wonder why.

ExperimentalAB 10-01-2023 05:00 PM


Originally Posted by PossibleDeviation (Post 3705064)
JFC - Turn the mainstream propaganda off!!

I don’t care if CNN et al…were preaching we need to get out of Ukraine yesterday. I never gave a crap what garbage they spew and never will. I’ve got my own two brain cells to rub together. Ignoring a pseudo-dictator hell-bent on restoring glory to his country worked really well for all of us in the 1930’s, too.


Originally Posted by Name User (Post 3705065)
"we" don't, many in europe do

"america bad" except when we pay for their security

100%. It’s the price of leading…

ExperimentalAB 10-01-2023 05:07 PM


Originally Posted by Red Forman (Post 3705073)
Go jump off the nearest bridge for crying out loud.

Classy. I very rarely have reason to disagree with a conservative, but when I do I’m shocked to get such an unhinged response right out of the left’s playbook. Pretty sure we agree on 99% of today’s issues…with friends like these, who needs liberals haha

Extenda 10-01-2023 05:23 PM


Originally Posted by Bestglide (Post 3705035)
no more money for Ukraine till our own border is secure….

the border has been in a state of quasi-insecurity for 200 years. it’s a political football both sides toss around to scare the other side when they want to win elections.

what does “secure” even mean? It’s an impossible goal.

Supporting Ukraine in every way possible should be a rare bipartisan stance. An autocrat who hates everything we stand for and wants to re-ignite the Cold War is trying to bulldoze a tiny nascent democracy who has close ties to us. The fact that it’s failing while the world is watching has given us a tremendous amount of soft power, and further reinvigorated Western unity.

Every dollar spent there is a far better investment than the trillions of sunk cost we’ve dropped into the sandpit.

it’s nuts that some Americans are neutral or tacitly pro-Russia in this whole shebang.


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