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Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB
(Post 3705076)
Classy. I very rarely have reason to disagree with a conservative, but when I do I’m shocked to get such an unhinged response right out of the left’s playbook. Pretty sure we agree on 99% of today’s issues…with friends like these, who needs liberals haha
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Originally Posted by Red Forman
(Post 3705084)
So in your words “at any cost” you are ok with the US failing if it means Ukraine succeeds. Classy.
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Originally Posted by Extenda
(Post 3705082)
the border has been in a state of quasi-insecurity for 200 years. it’s a political football both sides toss around to scare the other side when they want to win elections.
what does “secure” even mean? It’s an impossible goal. Supporting Ukraine in every way possible should be a rare bipartisan stance. An autocrat who hates everything we stand for and wants to re-ignite the Cold War is trying to bulldoze a tiny nascent democracy who has close ties to us. The fact that it’s failing while the world is watching has given us a tremendous amount of soft power, and further reinvigorated Western unity. Every dollar spent there is a far better investment than the trillions of sunk cost we’ve dropped into the sandpit. it’s nuts that some Americans are neutral or tacitly pro-Russia in this whole shebang. |
Originally Posted by Bestglide
(Post 3705092)
it’s nuts that we won’t take care of our own problems at home especially the border which by the way was under control just 2 years ago. Unfortunately the Ukraine has morphed into a money laundering opportunity for many of our political elites (both sides) and has become a never ending money trough that needs to stop until full accountability can be met….
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Folks… It’s a proxy war. A proxy which much more less costly to igniting a war, with our involvement, overseas. Not just $$$$ but potential loss of life. Too bad… the Speaker, who is taking a victory lap for the vote, reneged on the deal made earlier this year. Such a dishonorable possum breath weakling who can’t reclaim his balls out of the pockets of… well, out of respect of the rules of APC no names shall be mentioned.
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 3705069)
No, there's no "aggressive expansion. It's just other nations joining of their own free will and volition. I wonder why.
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Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB
(Post 3705058)
If Ukraine goes, the next shooting war will be us right alongside NATO - we need Ukraine to win and at any cost.
Originally Posted by Extenda
(Post 3705082)
it’s nuts that some Americans are neutral or tacitly pro-Russia in this whole shebang.
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 3705069)
No, there's no "aggressive expansion. It's just other nations joining of their own free will and volition. I wonder why.
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Originally Posted by Andy
(Post 3705120)
... in violation of the Yalta Agreement.
Post USSR, there was some *discussion* about limiting the scope of NATO, but certainly no agreements or treaties. As the Russian sphere dwindles, they tend to want to coerce their former subject states into remaining subjugated. Not surprisingly, that drives them into the western sphere. And Finland and Sweden would have been perfectly happy staying neutral... if vlad hadn't rolled the red army in the general direction of the Fulda Gap. |
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 3705149)
Yalta? That was 80 years ago. And the party which you're referring to has not existed for over 30 years.
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 3705149)
As the Russian sphere dwindles, they tend to want to coerce their former subject states into remaining subjugated. Not surprisingly, that drives them into the western sphere. And Finland and Sweden would have been perfectly happy staying neutral... if vlad hadn't rolled the red army in the general direction of the Fulda Gap.
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