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Old 11-06-2024 | 08:48 AM
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Tariffs and renewed trade wars could raise costs and derail overseas sales for the embattled plane maker, while the defense budget and arms exports could be threatened:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ikFV9JYUhc
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Old 11-06-2024 | 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
Tariffs and renewed trade wars could raise costs and derail overseas sales for the embattled plane maker, while the defense budget and arms exports could be threatened:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ikFV9JYUhc
Most recently, it was complacency and carelessness that was hurting Boeing. Those are still its major threats IMHO. Realistically, it's only competitor in the commercial business right now is Airbus, and faced with US tariffs after a WTO ruling:

https://www.americanmachinist.com/ne...om-tariff-list

they simply started building in the USA in Mobile AL and now have a US headquarters in Herndon VA.

https://us.airbus.com/en/airbus-us-l...aft%20annually.

Until/unless Embraer starts to cut into the duopoly, I think both companies will do fine.
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Old 11-07-2024 | 06:41 PM
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Probably wouldn't hurt defense sales.

With the F-35 for example many governments turned down local offerings due to much better capabilities and bang-for-buck, ie F-35 was cheaper and far more capable and finally many countries just declined to "buy local at all costs". Local companies hadn't really been trying to compete because they thought they didn't have to. Ooops.
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Old 11-08-2024 | 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
Tariffs and renewed trade wars could raise costs and derail overseas sales for the embattled plane maker, while the defense budget and arms exports could be threatened:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ikFV9JYUhc
What hurts Boeing is that they can't build a reliable product right now, leave astronauts stranded and built a culture of DEI nonsense.

They'll turn it around when they quit being a social justice focused company and get back to building quality products after hiring the best qualified people.
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Old 11-08-2024 | 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by vaxedtothemax
What hurts Boeing is that they can't build a reliable product right now, leave astronauts stranded and built a culture of DEI nonsense.

They'll turn it around when they quit being a social justice focused company and get back to building quality products after hiring the best qualified people.
Their DEI program was first on the list for their 17,000 personnel reductions, but the problem is far deeper than that.

Dor a couple of decades they utilized contracted engineering personnel to do projects they believed would be short term - figuring that would be cheaper than hiring them long term with full employee benefits. They had the experienced people that could monitor the work of the rent-an-engineer groups and maybe it did even save a few shekels. But as the contractors moved on they took the experienced gained - both from working the contracts and from the mentoring if those senior engineers with them and that experience was lost to Boeing forever. Then came COVID and incentiveized early retirements of those knowledgeable people they had left. Well much of the engineering corporate memory is now gone on to other companies with a gap in knowledge at the higher levels because the decades of experienced engineers aren't there. They can hire young graduates but getting them up to speed may take years - especially with the dearth of senior and middle management experience.
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Old 11-09-2024 | 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
Their DEI program was first on the list for their 17,000 personnel reductions, but the problem is far deeper than that.

Dor a couple of decades they utilized contracted engineering personnel to do projects they believed would be short term - figuring that would be cheaper than hiring them long term with full employee benefits. They had the experienced people that could monitor the work of the rent-an-engineer groups and maybe it did even save a few shekels. But as the contractors moved on they took the experienced gained - both from working the contracts and from the mentoring if those senior engineers with them and that experience was lost to Boeing forever. Then came COVID and incentiveized early retirements of those knowledgeable people they had left. Well much of the engineering corporate memory is now gone on to other companies with a gap in knowledge at the higher levels because the decades of experienced engineers aren't there. They can hire young graduates but getting them up to speed may take years - especially with the dearth of senior and middle management experience.
After disagreeing with most of what you have to say in a different thread, I have to say you're spot on here. Regardless of how one feels about "culture war" issues like DEI, it's safe to say that Boeing's issues are far deeper rooted than those who would blame everything on current reviled buzzwords realize or care to discuss. DEI, if it is in fact an issue at Boeing, doesn't even rank in the top ten or fifteen reasons that Boeing has lost its way. Thanks for adding some intellectual honesty and frankness to this discussion.
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Old 11-11-2024 | 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by vaxedtothemax
What hurts Boeing is that they can't build a reliable product right now, leave astronauts stranded and built a culture of DEI nonsense.

They'll turn it around when they quit being a social justice focused company and get back to building quality products after hiring the best qualified people.
The confusion you will experience when all the programs you've scapegoated are gone and the product still sucks will be severe.
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Old 11-12-2024 | 04:51 AM
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Originally Posted by ReluctantEskimo
The confusion you will experience when all the programs you've scapegoated are gone and the product still sucks will be severe.
No confusion here. I don't care either way how Boeing performs. Boeing products can't be much worse. It will be spectacular to watch your confusion when the products start getting better AFTER the Diversity departments have less control.

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Old 11-18-2024 | 04:13 AM
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Originally Posted by ReluctantEskimo
The confusion you will experience when all the programs you've scapegoated are gone and the product still sucks will be severe.
You see the latest from NASA..... Employees asking for Musk to gut NASA's DEI program nonsense. Guess NASA spent millions on being inclusive.

And go with your right-wing conspiracy theory retort.

The solution of Musk sending rockets to rescue NASA/Boeing stranded astronauts is also a good option I suppose.....
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