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SonicFlyer 12-16-2024 12:52 PM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3862035)
i’m just here waiting for sonic to claim that the american healthcare system would work great if not for the government boot on the neck of united healthcare preventing them from helping people.


Originally Posted by ReluctantEskimo (Post 3861984)
There's a lot of bloat in privatization that allows money to into shareholder's pockets. See the American healthcare system.

The US healthcare system is one of the most over regulated industries on the planet. Look up the phrases "Rent seeking" and "Regulatory capture"

SonicFlyer 12-16-2024 12:55 PM


Originally Posted by jerryleber (Post 3861949)
So, you can't name any in the last 110 years. I wonder why nobody uses the Austrian school's principles? Too funny.NASA? WTF?

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/bandwagon

OOfff 12-16-2024 02:42 PM


Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3862145)
The US healthcare system is one of the most over regulated industries on the planet. Look up the phrases "Rent seeking" and "Regulatory capture"

yes, the only thing keeping them from providing a good service is that dang ol’ government stopping them from treating customers well and covering more illnesses and medications.

the fact that they’re rent-seeking sh**bag middlemen is purely because the government makes them be that.

symbian simian 12-16-2024 06:36 PM


Originally Posted by DogPit (Post 3862126)
What about them expanding it to mental health patients? Are they really volunteering?

That is delayed till 2027 to further study, so no guarantee that that will happen. A requirement for assisted suicide in Canada is that the patient has to request it, an independent observer has to acknowledge that, and two health proffesionals have to sign off. Yes, with the mentally ill it is possible that they are not acting in their own best interest. I am personally less worried about the mentally ill being treated, than all the people with mental health issues not receiving any treatment because they don't have health insurance.

symbian simian 12-17-2024 07:38 AM


Originally Posted by DogPit (Post 3862126)
What about them expanding it to mental health patients? Are they really volunteering?

And also, while we are talking about it:

The United States ranks last among 16 high-income, industrialized nations when it comes to deaths that could potentially have been prevented with timely access to effective health care, according to a Commonwealth Fund–supported study that appeared online in the journal Health Policy. According to the analysis, other nations lowered their preventable death rates an average of 31 percent between 1997–98 and 2006–07, while the U.S. rate declined by only 20 percent, from 120 to 96 per 100,000. At the end of the decade, the preventable mortality rate in the U.S. was almost twice that in France, which had the lowest rate—55 per 100,000.

DogPit 12-17-2024 07:52 AM


Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 3862355)
And also, while we are talking about it:

The United States ranks last among 16 high-income, industrialized nations when it comes to deaths that could potentially have been prevented with timely access to effective health care, according to a Commonwealth Fund–supported study that appeared online in the journal Health Policy. According to the analysis, other nations lowered their preventable death rates an average of 31 percent between 1997–98 and 2006–07, while the U.S. rate declined by only 20 percent, from 120 to 96 per 100,000. At the end of the decade, the preventable mortality rate in the U.S. was almost twice that in France, which had the lowest rate—55 per 100,000.

Because a large majority of Americans don’t put a high priority on their health.

Hubcapped 12-17-2024 09:48 AM


Originally Posted by DogPit (Post 3862361)
Because a large majority of Americans don’t put a high priority on their health.

Do you think our current “for profit” healthcare system is working out?

2 truths can exist at the same time:
.gov is bloated and spends too much
some services should be handled by the government and not “for profit”

dmeg13021 12-17-2024 10:23 AM


Originally Posted by DogPit (Post 3862361)
Because a large majority of Americans don’t put a high priority on their health.

Or any other American's health. My choice, amirite?

OOfff 12-17-2024 10:46 AM


Originally Posted by DogPit (Post 3862361)
Because a large majority of Americans don’t put a high priority on their health.

what is it about americans that makes them place a lower priority on health than, say, residents of the uk or canada or chile?

DogPit 12-17-2024 12:31 PM


Originally Posted by Hubcapped (Post 3862408)
Do you think our current “for profit” healthcare system is working out?

2 truths can exist at the same time:
.gov is bloated and spends too much
some services should be handled by the government and not “for profit”

It was working a hell of a lot better before the "Affordable Care Act".


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