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Planespotta 09-22-2007 05:43 PM


Originally Posted by LAfrequentflyer (Post 235067)
We liberated Iraq to free its people from a dictator that ran 'rape' rooms and tortured people at a whim. We have created a safe haven for democracy in the middle-east from where we will be able to liberate other opressed middle-eastern countries.

Iraq is hardly a "safe haven" for democracy. There are more terrorists in Iraq now than there ever were before, and that's a fact. Saddam even tried to kill Osama. I'm not saying that Saddam was good -- I'm just saying that his death is highly overrated and doesn't compensate for what we've lost in Iraq.

HSLD 09-22-2007 06:25 PM


Originally Posted by FlyerJosh (Post 235171)
The country needs to get back to common sense. We're stretched thin, and it shows. A mixture of foreign policy decisions as well as cultural differences has lead to a reduction in the United States' standing on a global scale. For whatever the reason, we are threatened with rapidly diminishing influence both politically as well as financially/commercially.

A good balance of enhanced security measures, common sense tactics, and consideration towards our country's longstanding traditions, beliefs and constitutional rights, as well as leaders that are accountable for their actions is what we need.

I think the call to a return to common sense is spot on.

The young lady in Boston most definitely lacked common sense and situational awareness and has been charged with possession of hoax device (I fear for this Halloween!).

We live in a changed world and amongst evil men, although, I cringe at some the changes that are occurring in our county that threaten the very freedom and liberty we claim to stand for.

Will the emerging bunker mentality create a generation of paranoid Latte drinking snitches that are afraid of their own shadow? Time will tell, but I think a little common sense could help fend off the acceptance of the looting of American's freedoms.

Reminds me of a book I read many years ago.

ToiletDuck 09-22-2007 08:16 PM


Originally Posted by Planespotta (Post 235042)
No, it's most certainly because of our foreign policy. No other nation in the world thinks they have the right to go into any other nation, "fix it" as they see necessary, leave, and then expect to be respected.

Just any civilization that's had an empire. Roman, British, etc.

Planespotta 09-22-2007 08:17 PM


Originally Posted by ToiletDuck (Post 235251)
Just any civilization that's had an empire. Roman, British, etc.

That was then. This is now. The times have most certainly changed since then.

ToiletDuck 09-22-2007 08:20 PM


Originally Posted by Planespotta (Post 235182)
1) I have talked to people in the countryside. I talked to this one guy in a chocolate shop just over the German border (maybe 30 minutes east of Strasbourg.) He thought the US was insane.

Yea well it's possible he has a full wax figure of Micheal Jackson and a couple posters of David Hasselhoff at home. What does that do to his credibility?


PS. That was a joke.

ToiletDuck 09-22-2007 08:23 PM


Originally Posted by Planespotta (Post 235252)
That was then. This is now. The times have most certainly changed since then.

The fundamentals of goverment and it's goals still exist. We are involved with other countries now for the same reason the East India Trading Company and all the others have in the past. Commerce... Might be hard to notice with the wars still going on but that's why we're there. Things just happen at a faster pace now.

FlyerJosh 09-22-2007 08:42 PM

TD, you're dead on, but it's not just commerce (although that is a huge role). It's also all about INFLUENCE.

There are different ways to spread influence, however since WWII, the largest means that the US has utilized is through its military.

Planespotta 09-22-2007 09:29 PM


Originally Posted by ToiletDuck (Post 235253)
Yea well it's possible he has a full wax figure of Micheal Jackson and a couple posters of David Hasselhoff at home. What does that do to his credibility?


PS. That was a joke.

I know it was, lol.

EAHINC 09-22-2007 10:45 PM

Hi there FlyerJosh:


This topic can get complicated and convoluted really fast. I'm not sure exactly how one goes about measuring US global INFLUENCE.

I recently sold my company that I started ten years ago. At time of sale, we ended up with around 800 foreign employees at any given time with offices in 17 countries. From my experience, I dont see evidence where the US had a tangible retraction in influence in the world on both an economic and cultural scale that could be blamed on poor US foreign or military policy. Its much larger and vastly more complicated than that.

The economic leverage this country generates far exceeds anything the US military could influence around the world. Having done business in 63 countries, meeting with foreign government/business leaders, I never felt the company was at a competitive disadvantage on account of our current admistration or past US foreign military intervention.

Its of my opinion the perceived rapid and diminishing influence of US standing in the world is not so much of a current foreign policy faux pas and its associated cause and effect as it is other countries maturing and developing effective competitive strategies and efficiency through mass contact through global commerce.

Erik

Zoot Suit 09-23-2007 07:14 AM

Don't worry about the influence the US has all over the world. In the next 50 years it will be gone. We will NOT be a super power and their will be a near civil war here between the different groups of immigrants who came here legally and illegally. They will all be fighting for power inside our government as they get elected into congress and the senate while at the same time their allegiance will be to their "mother" country.

Lead, Follow or get out of the way. That holds true for everything and if WE don't try to lead... China, Syria, Iran, N Korea ..etc will. If you think the world would be a better place with one of those countries leading the world as opposed to ours than you are a bigger dolt than I give you credit for.


Every day I drive on the parkway and look out where the trade centers used to stand and I am reminded of what kind of world this would be if we let those countries lead the way. The choice is a simple one.

HSLD...thanks for holding out hope for me to hold a civil, non emotional discussion but that time has passed for me about 6 years ago.

To keep this on topic here is a pic of what the stupid #$%&* was wearing....

If I was one of the troopers I would have put a bullet in her head.

http://apnews.myway.com/image/200709...ocid=D8RQFVF81


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