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11Fan 03-01-2008 10:47 AM

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III Corps 03-01-2008 11:38 AM


Originally Posted by blastoff (Post 331112)
Stateside we still do...but overseas we have to use the new NATO terminology "Cleared Astern"

So for the KC-30 and the frogs from Alabama you can say, "Dégagé astern"

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Radials Rule 03-01-2008 11:40 AM

Is there really that much of a difference? Boeing's aircraft components and parts are built all over the world anyway.

Besides, it seems like this is good for the USA;

The EADS/Northrop Grumman team plans to perform its final assembly work in Mobile, Ala., although the underlying plane would mostly be built in Europe. And it would use General Electric (GE, Fortune 500) engines built in North Carolina and Ohio.

Northrop Grumman, which is based in Los Angeles, estimates a Northrop/EADS win would produce 2,000 new jobs in Mobile and support 25,000 jobs at suppliers nationwide.

LineTroll 03-01-2008 01:24 PM

It's good to have competition...

WhiteH2O 03-01-2008 01:42 PM

I don't understand the big deal. You should see the big story that CNN is trying to turn this into. They would both be made here, with parts from all over the world, but the government liked this version better than the Boeing. Either one would mean a lot of US jobs. They picked the product that would work for them the best, and Boeing wasn't the best. I don't subscribe to the thinking they should have picked the lesser product just because it was made by Boeing.

ABK MAN 03-01-2008 01:55 PM

I'm disappointed . . . Good for Airbus, can't blame em', yet I would prefer our military aircraft to be of the American brand. What would happen if the next AF1 was an A380? What kind of message would that send?

hotshot 03-01-2008 02:21 PM


Originally Posted by ABK MAN (Post 331332)
I'm disappointed . . . Good for Airbus, can't blame em', yet I would prefer our military aircraft to be of the American brand. What would happen if the next AF1 was an A380? What kind of message would that send?

You mean something like this?

http://blogmedia.thenewstribune.com/...llie/AFone.gif

ToiletDuck 03-01-2008 03:34 PM


Originally Posted by Radials Rule (Post 331256)
Is there really that much of a difference? Boeing's aircraft components and parts are built all over the world anyway.

Besides, it seems like this is good for the USA;

The EADS/Northrop Grumman team plans to perform its final assembly work in Mobile, Ala., although the underlying plane would mostly be built in Europe. And it would use General Electric (GE, Fortune 500) engines built in North Carolina and Ohio.

Northrop Grumman, which is based in Los Angeles, estimates a Northrop/EADS win would produce 2,000 new jobs in Mobile and support 25,000 jobs at suppliers nationwide.

The difference is we'd have to rely on a foreign company for the aircraft. Boeing might outsource quite a bit but they still have the technology any loyalty to America. If it ever hit the fan WWIII style BA could still use that technology on American soil or give us preferential treatment when supplies are thin. Now we're second to France and who wants that?

rickair7777 03-01-2008 04:00 PM


Originally Posted by ABK MAN (Post 331332)
I'm disappointed . . . Good for Airbus, can't blame em', yet I would prefer our military aircraft to be of the American brand. What would happen if the next AF1 was an A380? What kind of message would that send?

That message has already been sent! The new Marine One (presidential Helo) will be a modified EH-101, which is a European helo.

alvrb211 03-01-2008 04:59 PM


Originally Posted by ToiletDuck (Post 331090)
Globalization takes a dump when Germany tries to establish a superior race. We need home made products for our home made military. I know a lot of the aircraft is outsourced but I still feel I'd rather have an American company supplying aircraft to our American military. So we go to war with a larger country, (pakistan, india, china, Korea, etc.) and Europe is pulled in too. We need replacement parts for the tankers or just general production. Who do you think is going to force priority over those parts or what the factories even produce?

Globalization takes a dump?

Globalization is the future!

If not for the foreign airlines buying Boeing planes post 9/11, the company would have been in a world of hurt because let's face it, no US airlines were buying new Widebodies. Foreign markets are and will be a huge part of Boeing's future.

I think foreign business from operators like ALL Nippon who have ordered 50 firm B787's or Quantas who ordered 115 B787's is very encouraging.

Boeing will have a very secure future due to its overseas markets. This is what globalization is all about!

Here's a little insight into one very successful foreign company manufacturing in the US.....................

Toyota owns the 3 most efficient Auto manufacturing plants in the world and they're all in Japan. The Toyota plants here in the US are far superior to any US domestic auto plants and the US industry and economy is better off for their presence here.

Toyota operates under a VER or voluntary export restriction. In other words, they volintarily export less Japanese made cars to the US than the US government allows. So, they build more here instead. Also, there is a 65% LCR or local content requirment in all US made Toyotas. So......even the US firms benefit and are even trained to higher standards by Toyota. Toyota builds cars in the US for domestic and international markets.

Americans working for Toyota USA have bettter pay and benefits than their counterparts at US auto firms. Toyota USA is an incredible success story by any standards!

Now...........You do realize the aircraft and engines will be built in the US right?

Does it really matter who's "name" is on it?

Still afraid of globalization and the fact that EADS is coming?

Ethnocentrism is a very short sighted to say the least.

I must say that I'm very pro globalization but then again, knowing that global trade far outstrips global output, who wouldn't be?

AL


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