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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck (Post 331090)

Globalization takes a dump when Germany tries to establish a superior race.

I think you're 60 years late.

CE

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Originally Posted by alvrb211 (Post 331418)

Globalization takes a dump?

Globalization is the future!

If not for the foreign airlines buying Boeing planes post 9/11, the company would have been in a world of hurt because let's face it, no US airlines were buying new Widebodies. Foreign markets are and will be a huge part of Boeing's future.

I think foreign business from operators like ALL Nippon who have ordered 50 firm B787's or Quantas who ordered 115 B787's is very encouraging.

Boeing will have a very secure future due to its overseas markets. This is what globalization is all about!

Here's a little insight into one very successful foreign company manufacturing in the US.....................

Toyota owns the 3 most efficient Auto manufacturing plants in the world and they're all in Japan. The Toyota plants here in the US are far superior to any US domestic auto plants and the US industry and economy is better off for their presence here.

Toyota operates under a VER or voluntary export restriction. In other words, they volintarily export less Japanese made cars to the US than the US government allows. So, they build more here instead. Also, there is a 65% LCR or local content requirment in all US made Toyotas. So......even the US firms benefit and are even trained to higher standards by Toyota. Toyota builds cars in the US for domestic and international markets.

Americans working for Toyota USA have bettter pay and benefits than their counterparts at US auto firms. Toyota USA is an incredible success story by any standards!

Now...........You do realize the aircraft and engines will be built in the US right?

Does it really matter who's "name" is on it?

Still afraid of globalization and the fact that EADS is coming?

Ethnocentrism is a very short sighted to say the least.

I must say that I'm very pro globalization but then again, knowing that global trade far outstrips global output, who wouldn't be?

AL

You're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I was making a point that if there's a WWIII all bets are off and things turn internally. I know globalization is the future, at least in times of peace.

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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck (Post 331371)

The difference is we'd have to rely on a foreign company for the aircraft. Boeing might outsource quite a bit but they still have the technology any loyalty to America. If it ever hit the fan WWIII style BA could still use that technology on American soil or give us preferential treatment when supplies are thin. Now we're second to France and who wants that?

Yes, Boeing has the technological know-how. However, if WW3 broke out and made it such that all manufacturing of war machines had to be in house, then there would still be major disruptions. Had Boeing won the contract, I think that the time required for Boeing to retool and arrange for 100% domestic suppliers and contractors wouldn't be much different than the time required for the conversion of existing 767's et al to aerial refuelers.

As for being "second to France", remember. Northrop can cut the Europeans off too.

I don't see anything wrong with this deal.

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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck (Post 331481)

You're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I was making a point that if there's a WWIII all bets are off and things turn internally. I know globalization is the future, at least in times of peace.

Globalization is the future. But it's also here already!

"If" a world war broke out, the US manufacturing base would be changed to meet the needs of the war effort.

Meanwhile, the only approach is to work with world class suppliers around the world.

Unfortunately, many ethonocentrics don't understand competetive and comparative adavantage and would protect the domestic worker at all cost disregarding inefficiency and technology.

This is not the first time the US military has sought foreign technology!

You might be surprized at how much technology the DOD procures from foreign firms like Rolls Royce and BAE Systems.
BAE Systems do a lot more business with the US DOD than they ever did with Airbus Industrie.

AL

Airbus?? Really, Airbus!?! ***!? Something really stinks now. Airbus's footprint is 51% bigger! Boeing had this thing locked up from the beginning and now this is the Air Force's choice? Makes me ashamed to be in the AF. If it weren't for that medling biaotch a few years ago, this thing would be all over with.

So much for american jobs staying in america(I'm sure Airbus will try to live up to their words on that one). Why don't we just sell the farm now, it's not like it's about what language we speak anyways right? ...it's all about the money.

Good Lord, I think I'm gonna be sick.

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Originally Posted by alvrb211 (Post 331066)

Boeing is doing quite alright with sales of widebody aircraft overseas.

The fact that foreign firms like EADS and Rolls Royce are about to open new manufacturing plants in Alabama and Virginia is a good thing.

Without ethnocentrism, globalization is the future!

AL

True that!!! It's a global economy ya'll.....get use to it!!!

atp

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Originally Posted by USAFAviator (Post 332517)

Why don't we just sell the farm now, ...it's all about the money.

Try to get Euros for your farm...