TAP Airbus A310 Low Pass
04-10-2008 | 06:53 PM
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Just curious. Night, TA, 100', mountainous IR....you pick it. That's safe and inside the regs for a Buff. But our flybys are done at 1000' and 250 knots. 
All of the other **** ups in the AF beside the Fairchild bomber were not even at airshows. The regs are written only to cover asses. Not for safety. If safety were the concern I would not have flown 29 hours non stop with 4 AR's and a total of 3 pilots 3 different times. I am sure the AB captain had calculated his max bank angle at the altitude he was going to be flying just like we did on low levels. Don't forget, there are a lot of pilots that were better than you and I that are dead. Does not mean they were dangerous, just there mistakes were made closer to the ground. Not bashing you. I just get sick of wearing diapers because other people **** their pants.
All of the other **** ups in the AF beside the Fairchild bomber were not even at airshows. The regs are written only to cover asses. Not for safety. If safety were the concern I would not have flown 29 hours non stop with 4 AR's and a total of 3 pilots 3 different times. I am sure the AB captain had calculated his max bank angle at the altitude he was going to be flying just like we did on low levels. Don't forget, there are a lot of pilots that were better than you and I that are dead. Does not mean they were dangerous, just there mistakes were made closer to the ground. Not bashing you. I just get sick of wearing diapers because other people **** their pants.I don't have a problem with the altitude/bank angle, i have a problem with the near wingtip scrape and the high speed low pass at less than a wingspan with the gear up (Most of us wouldn't let our wingtip get that close to ground equipment without a wing walker)...then ya, the rest of it we can debate. But I also go back to the old Air Force mantra of "dumb, dangerous, or different." Regardless of the danger it was definitely dumb and different.
Keep in mind my post is mainly directed at the kids working on their Private Certificate who think the measure of a pilot is how well he can hot-dog it in a big jet. As Air Force pilots, you and I have been trained to Max Perform our jets, tested a few Dash-1 Warnings and Cautions, and set off the "bank angle" GPWS warning intentionally "in the break." Most of the people on this forum haven't and never will, and are not equipped to know when to tell a Civilian CA to "Knock it Off" in a situation like that.
Last edited by blastoff; 04-10-2008 at 07:20 PM.
04-10-2008 | 07:12 PM
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I had the opportunity to do that often in the Beechjet and Hawker 800XP while working at Beechcraft in Wichita. It was lot of fun!
04-10-2008 | 08:23 PM
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Good post and I understand where you're coming from, no bash taken.
I don't have a problem with the altitude/bank angle, i have a problem with the near wingtip scrape and the high speed low pass at less than a wingspan with the gear up (Most of us wouldn't let our wingtip get that close to ground equipment without a wing walker)...then ya, the rest of it we can debate. But I also go back to the old Air Force mantra of "dumb, dangerous, or different." Regardless of the danger it was definitely dumb and different.
Keep in mind my post is mainly directed at the kids working on their Private Certificate who think the measure of a pilot is how well he can hot-dog it in a big jet. As Air Force pilots, you and I have been trained to Max Perform our jets, tested a few Dash-1 Warnings and Cautions, and set off the "bank angle" GPWS warning intentionally "in the break." Most of the people on this forum haven't and never will, and are not equipped to know when to tell a Civilian CA to "Knock it Off" in a situation like that.
I don't have a problem with the altitude/bank angle, i have a problem with the near wingtip scrape and the high speed low pass at less than a wingspan with the gear up (Most of us wouldn't let our wingtip get that close to ground equipment without a wing walker)...then ya, the rest of it we can debate. But I also go back to the old Air Force mantra of "dumb, dangerous, or different." Regardless of the danger it was definitely dumb and different.
Keep in mind my post is mainly directed at the kids working on their Private Certificate who think the measure of a pilot is how well he can hot-dog it in a big jet. As Air Force pilots, you and I have been trained to Max Perform our jets, tested a few Dash-1 Warnings and Cautions, and set off the "bank angle" GPWS warning intentionally "in the break." Most of the people on this forum haven't and never will, and are not equipped to know when to tell a Civilian CA to "Knock it Off" in a situation like that.
If on the other hand that was done without all the planning, briefing, practicing and the maneuvers were beyond the capabilities of the airplane - then it is disgusting has Blastoff said.
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04-11-2008 | 11:01 AM
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Good post and I understand where you're coming from, no bash taken.
I don't have a problem with the altitude/bank angle, i have a problem with the near wingtip scrape and the high speed low pass at less than a wingspan with the gear up (Most of us wouldn't let our wingtip get that close to ground equipment without a wing walker)...then ya, the rest of it we can debate. But I also go back to the old Air Force mantra of "dumb, dangerous, or different." Regardless of the danger it was definitely dumb and different.
Keep in mind my post is mainly directed at the kids working on their Private Certificate who think the measure of a pilot is how well he can hot-dog it in a big jet. As Air Force pilots, you and I have been trained to Max Perform our jets, tested a few Dash-1 Warnings and Cautions, and set off the "bank angle" GPWS warning intentionally "in the break." Most of the people on this forum haven't and never will, and are not equipped to know when to tell a Civilian CA to "Knock it Off" in a situation like that.
I don't have a problem with the altitude/bank angle, i have a problem with the near wingtip scrape and the high speed low pass at less than a wingspan with the gear up (Most of us wouldn't let our wingtip get that close to ground equipment without a wing walker)...then ya, the rest of it we can debate. But I also go back to the old Air Force mantra of "dumb, dangerous, or different." Regardless of the danger it was definitely dumb and different.
Keep in mind my post is mainly directed at the kids working on their Private Certificate who think the measure of a pilot is how well he can hot-dog it in a big jet. As Air Force pilots, you and I have been trained to Max Perform our jets, tested a few Dash-1 Warnings and Cautions, and set off the "bank angle" GPWS warning intentionally "in the break." Most of the people on this forum haven't and never will, and are not equipped to know when to tell a Civilian CA to "Knock it Off" in a situation like that.
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