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Old 04-28-2008 | 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by wrxsteve
im not a pilot nor a student pilot yet( with no knowledge on this topic), and I was wondering.. if you JS an airplane that the captain gives an OK on... and there are available seats in the back but also first class seats available in the front.... do you have to ask the captain if you can take the 1st class seat or do you just randomly pick whatever seat you want thats available? im not sure how this works...
i could be wrong, but in most cases you take your seat in coach, and either wait for a FA who knows you are a jumper, or ask them specifically if you can sit in FC. Personally, i would not go out of my way to ask an FA to sit up there unless its your own airline.
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Old 04-28-2008 | 10:15 PM
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This is a great post, I was actually looking for something like this.

My question is, do you pay to JS? Other than the international fee I mean. How does it work usually? You go to the ticket counter and list there or you do at the gate? How do you pass security?
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Old 04-28-2008 | 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by psycomant
This is a great post, I was actually looking for something like this.

My question is, do you pay to JS? Other than the international fee I mean. How does it work usually? You go to the ticket counter and list there or you do at the gate? How do you pass security?
No, you don't pay to JS. I believe that AirTran used to give the first JS'er a pass for free then charged each additional rider. I think they got rid of this though. In general, yes, you just show up at the gate and request a JS pass.

Some airlines are more appreciative if you list first, makes it easier.

Some want you to check in at the gate, most just go to the ticket counter, and it can vary by station.
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Old 04-29-2008 | 03:15 AM
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Thanks for the info, once I'm online and start traveling I'm sure I'll have a question for you. Great info helps me understand it all a little better.
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Old 04-29-2008 | 06:12 AM
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So, if that's free technically you never have to spend the money on a ticket and just jumpseat...is that true? Again, technically.

How do you pass security with no boarding pass?
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Old 04-29-2008 | 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by psycomant
So, if that's free technically you never have to spend the money on a ticket and just jumpseat...is that true? Again, technically.

How do you pass security with no boarding pass?
You should not need a boarding pass if you have a crew ID but if you run into a problem you can ask the tix agents for a dummy BP to get through security.

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And guys can argue this point ALL they want. They can pull up the ALPA JS guide and look for themselves. I don't care if the guy works for a non-alpa or non-union carrier. IT IS NOT OK TO CONSUME BOOZE WHILE YOU ARE USING THE JS! Even if you are traveling for fun and not in uniform. If the FA offers you one, politely decline. If the CA says it's OK, politely decline, but tell them to keep it sealed up, and you'll take it with you.
Can you explain why you are so adamant about this POLICY? I've jumpseated on many different airlines both foreign and domestic and have never worried about this policy. Who cares if I drink with dinner? I certainly don't care about the opinion of some ALPA manual writer. I would agree that you should not drink in uniform (although why this is not a problem for military pilots I'll never know) but if you are not in uniform and flying a ling flight to Europe or Asia then why not?

My best Jumpseat flights ever were on TWA and Pan Am across the pond to London. I always got first class and enjoyed the caviar/vodka and wine with dinner. No problem.

What? You say as an additional crew member (ACM) I should be ready to "take over" in case all the pilots are incapacitated or something? Yeah, that's realistic.

The only reason not to drink is if you are a loud/sloppy/obnoxious drunk. In that case you probably don't know it so a blanket rule is the best policy. In my case, I am able to maintain a certain decorum so if I ever jumpseat again and am offer a drink, I'll be happy to partake.

Other than the drinking part, Dojet, your posts about jumpseating are spot on. Thank you for putting so much effort into writing them.
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Old 04-29-2008 | 08:09 AM
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mike734 I think dojetdriver was talking about the cockpit JS.
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Old 04-29-2008 | 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by psycomant
mike734 I think dojetdriver was talking about the cockpit JS.
No he wasn't. That's why he said this topic has been endlessly debated. There are many guys out there that think you should not drink if seated in the back. If I'm wrong, good.
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Old 04-29-2008 | 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by mike734
No he wasn't. That's why he said this topic has been endlessly debated. There are many guys out there that think you should not drink if seated in the back. If I'm wrong, good.
I don't expect to drink and wouldn't even ask. However, if the CA offered it up unsolicited, I may take him up on the offer especially on a flt across the pond.
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Old 04-29-2008 | 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by mike734
Can you explain why you are so adamant about this POLICY? I've jumpseated on many different airlines both foreign and domestic and have never worried about this policy. Who cares if I drink with dinner? I certainly don't care about the opinion of some ALPA manual writer. I would agree that you should not drink in uniform (although why this is not a problem for military pilots I'll never know) but if you are not in uniform and flying a ling flight to Europe or Asia then why not?

My best Jumpseat flights ever were on TWA and Pan Am across the pond to London. I always got first class and enjoyed the caviar/vodka and wine with dinner. No problem.

What? You say as an additional crew member (ACM) I should be ready to "take over" in case all the pilots are incapacitated or something? Yeah, that's realistic.
Well, do whatever you want then. Personally, I'd never want to be in that position.

But let's just take an example that may or may not have happened. Two guys are JS'ing on an offline carrier, neither in uniform. One guy in first, the other is the physical JS. You ever ride up front in this situation? The FA's come up to serve the meals. The CA asks the FA "how's the other JS'er doing back there". The FA responds with "oh, he's fine. I gave him a beer and he went right to sleep"

That CA is the JS chair for the airline, how pleased do you think he is with that offline JS'er? How well did that JS'er represent his company? If that guy decides to write a letter to the OTHER company's JS rep, what do you think it would say?

Like I said, do whatever you want.
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