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NZAV8R 06-09-2008 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by lear 31 pilot (Post 401005)
I cant wait for the all the glaciers to melt, then we can see if there is any oil underneath them.

Ya, that's a great idea, and when we finally get to the oil that might be under them then we can use it to rebuild the coastal cities that might get swallowed up by the rise in sea level caused by the disappearance of all the glaciers. ;)

⌐ AV8OR WANNABE 06-10-2008 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DYNASTY HVY (Post 400502)
I have a ? about all this D&G thats beeen spread around
1.What happened to the ice age from the 70,s predictions ?
2.What happened to the ozone hole? dont hear much about this do we?
3.Why did we not run out of oil in the 70,s and 80,s like we were supposed to ?:eek:
Why is it when ever some Expert starts spouting off my bullcrap meter goes into the red ? I would not trust any of these ppl as far as I could throw them and its beyond me why in the hell most ppl cannot think this through for themselves .
They prey upon emotions not thought and its pathetic to say the least .
PEOPLE lie for their own gain and its apparent in all of this ,so what happened to all of the earlier predictions and why were they not held accountable for the propaganda that they spewed?...

Great points! Also, why didn’t we have Senate hearings when the oil was selling for less than $10/brl not too long ago? How come no one wanted to subsidize the money losing refineries and oil industry then but everyone wants to punish them now when they’re making money? Not a fan of Halliburton per sig but I think it's unfair how they get vilified now…

Declare Energy State of Emergency and drill for oil everywhere there's oil - make energy production a tax free priority (any sort of energy = oil/gas/nuclear/hydro/wind/solar, etc.).

Every dollar we spend on oil turns into $10 of weapons we have to buy to protect us from our enemies who get rich because of our oil addiction..

Learflyer 06-10-2008 03:25 AM

Other side of coin.....
 
Seems like the other US problem (at least in FL) is showing a pulse as well.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/busin...tory?track=rss

DYNASTY HVY 06-10-2008 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by ⌐ AV8OR WANNABE (Post 401199)
Great points! Also, why didn’t we have Senate hearings when the oil was selling for less than $10/brl not too long ago? How come no one wanted to subsidize the money losing refineries and oil industry then but everyone wants to punish them now when they’re making money? Not a fan of Halliburton per sig but I think it's unfair how they get vilified now…

Declare Energy State of Emergency and drill for oil everywhere there's oil - make energy production a tax free priority (any sort of energy = oil/gas/nuclear/hydro/wind/solar, etc.).

Every dollar we spend on oil turns into $10 of weapons we have to buy to protect us from our enemies who get rich because of our oil addiction..

Wow ! someone gets it :D
One more little point here ,why no outrage over the taxes that gov. collects from said fuel sales?Its more than what the oil cos. bring in .

capoetc 06-10-2008 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by DYNASTY HVY (Post 401221)
Wow ! someone gets it :D
One more little point here ,why no outrage over the taxes that gov. collects from said fuel sales?Its more than what the oil cos. bring in .

Very true, by about a factor of 4 ... even more in some states with high fuel taxes.

And, if the government "taxes" the evil oil companies, how do you think they will raise the capital to pay those taxes ... they will pass it on to the consumer.

As I understand it, oil companies find, drill, and produce the oil, then they sell it to refineries. Refineries can buy crude from anyone -- Exxon from Shell, Chevron from BP, etc. Refineries look for the cheapest possible price.

Refineries sell to distributors -- an Exxon refinery can sell to a Shell distributor, etc. The distributor decides who to buy from. Of course, a Shell refinery would likely offer a discount to a Shell distributor, but that still may not be the lowest available price.

Distributors sell to retailers. Retailers buy from the cheapest source, which is why you may see an Exxon truck offloading at a Fina station.


At every level of the chain everyone is trying to buy cheap and sell high. Imagine that.

Why are "evil oil companies" making record profits? Because the wells they produce from today were drilled in past years, when they used $15-25 per barrel as the estimated selling price. So, when the market got tight, they have cheap oil selling for a high price.

So, the oil companies are not "setting" the prices, except on the NYMEX when they sell to refineries. When the traders/speculators run the price up, oil companies make more money -- they are selling to the highest bidder.

CE750 06-10-2008 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by capoetc (Post 401406)
Very true, by about a factor of 4 ... even more in some states with high fuel taxes.

And, if the government "taxes" the evil oil companies, how do you think they will raise the capital to pay those taxes ... they will pass it on to the consumer.

As I understand it, oil companies find, drill, and produce the oil, then they sell it to refineries. Refineries can buy crude from anyone -- Exxon from Shell, Chevron from BP, etc. Refineries look for the cheapest possible price.

Refineries sell to distributors -- an Exxon refinery can sell to a Shell distributor, etc. The distributor decides who to buy from. Of course, a Shell refinery would likely offer a discount to a Shell distributor, but that still may not be the lowest available price.

Distributors sell to retailers. Retailers buy from the cheapest source, which is why you may see an Exxon truck offloading at a Fina station.


At every level of the chain everyone is trying to buy cheap and sell high. Imagine that.

Why are "evil oil companies" making record profits? Because the wells they produce from today were drilled in past years, when they used $15-25 per barrel as the estimated selling price. So, when the market got tight, they have cheap oil selling for a high price.

So, the oil companies are not "setting" the prices, except on the NYMEX when they sell to refineries. When the traders/speculators run the price up, oil companies make more money -- they are selling to the highest bidder.

You feel the same way about the Arabs who are also making out on this, even though they're not party to the pricing?

mattisawesome 06-10-2008 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 400499)
My wife and I have a family friend who is a graduate-level geologist, with one semester of school left, being heavily courted by ExxonMobil and Chevron due to her grad work in petroleum and coal deposits.

I've yet to hear the words "peak oil" out of her mouth, or anyone else in academia whose job it is to research these exact things.

These "research notes" by Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley about $150-$200/bbl oil are nothing more than self-fulfilling prophecies pushed by the two biggest and most active institutional traders in the international commodities market. Think THEY have any interest in an 8% daily rise in oil prices???


You are correct on this point. I do not believe we have hit peak oil by any stretch but I think the push toward alternative energy is going to finally be able to take hold.

saabguy493 06-10-2008 10:52 AM

One solution.... take the oil from the arabs.... wow, that was easy....

flyingkangaroo 06-10-2008 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by lear 31 pilot (Post 401005)
I cant wait for the all the glaciers to melt, then we can see if there is any oil underneath them.

HAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAA that's great

BankAngle09 06-10-2008 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by saabguy493 (Post 401563)
One solution.... take the oil from the arabs.... wow, that was easy....


that and use our own from Alaska...


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