Pilots are a bunch of sad sorrry-----!!!!
05-11-2005, 03:12 PM
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Pilots are a bunch of sad sorrry-----!!!!
We have no one to thank but oursleves!!! How disgusting!!! How pathetic!!!! 
By contrast, profitable low-cost airlines such as Southwest Airlines Co. and JetBlue Airways Corp. have defined contribution plans, such as 401(k)s, meaning they don't have pension funding gaps. They also run operations that are vastly more efficient in terms of how employees and aircraft are deployed.
"The Southwests and JetBlues are the industry benchmark," said John Heimlich, chief economist at the Air Transport Association, a Washington-based industry group. By shedding its pension obligations, "United has found one way to get closer to that benchmark."
By contrast, profitable low-cost airlines such as Southwest Airlines Co. and JetBlue Airways Corp. have defined contribution plans, such as 401(k)s, meaning they don't have pension funding gaps. They also run operations that are vastly more efficient in terms of how employees and aircraft are deployed.
"The Southwests and JetBlues are the industry benchmark," said John Heimlich, chief economist at the Air Transport Association, a Washington-based industry group. By shedding its pension obligations, "United has found one way to get closer to that benchmark."
05-22-2005, 09:59 AM
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Sorry *** pilots!!!!!
Sir James,
If you read my thread, i included a piece from a article i had read, which stated" Southwest and Jetblue are the benchmark of the industry".
This is the sorry state of this industry. Pilots let this happen because we always agreed to fly for less than we ARE worth!!
There are 3 good jobs left in the industry. AAL,DAL and NWAC. You maybe able to include CAL in there too???? AND when the next rounds of cuts occur there will be no good jobs left in this industry!!!!! They will all SUCK!!!!!!!!!
We(pilots) are responsible for all these TERRIBLE jobs!!! The latest example is Jetblue... that job sucks but pilots are willing to take it and then they say "at least i have a job".
I always hoped that we would make the job better for the young aviators coming in to the workforce but i think you'll agree that the job has only gotten worse. I wouldn't think twice of getting into this industry if i were just starting out.
If you read my thread, i included a piece from a article i had read, which stated" Southwest and Jetblue are the benchmark of the industry".
This is the sorry state of this industry. Pilots let this happen because we always agreed to fly for less than we ARE worth!!
There are 3 good jobs left in the industry. AAL,DAL and NWAC. You maybe able to include CAL in there too???? AND when the next rounds of cuts occur there will be no good jobs left in this industry!!!!! They will all SUCK!!!!!!!!!
We(pilots) are responsible for all these TERRIBLE jobs!!! The latest example is Jetblue... that job sucks but pilots are willing to take it and then they say "at least i have a job".
I always hoped that we would make the job better for the young aviators coming in to the workforce but i think you'll agree that the job has only gotten worse. I wouldn't think twice of getting into this industry if i were just starting out.
05-22-2005, 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by apdriver69
I always hoped that we would make the job better for the young aviators coming in to the workforce but i think you'll agree that the job has only gotten worse. I wouldn't think twice of getting into this industry if i were just starting out.
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05-24-2005, 08:19 PM
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Jet Blue a benchmark?
Sorry I can't agree with you on "benchmark" unless you define your meaning. I've been with AA for 27 years. I like flying 777's to international locations, I like the pay, the pension and the legacy of a fine carrier. AA is different from other network carriers in their effort to work together WITH management to eliminate waste, get efficient, and solve problems cooperatively. We paid a heavy, heavy toll in 2003 to avoid bankruptcy and have nearly 3000 pilots on furlough. But at least we are not bankrupt, we have not had our pension ripped from our collective bargaining grasp, and we have at least some light at the end of our tunnel.
Jet Blue is unique and innovative, but has a long way to go to learn the lessons AA and others have learned over the course of a maturing labor force. Once employees start to compare what is in their contracts with what the industry has supported (and alternatively tried to strip), they too will understand the meaning of "have nots," and at least attempt to put a decent pension and work rule package together.
To say that we pilots are to blame for the sorry state of the industry totally ignores the best efforts of greedy, self-important, arrogant CEO's (most of whom have been fired by now) -whose mandate to "balance the books on the backs of employees" has proven to be a total failure. Thank goodness those jerks were exposed and 20 years of their mismanagement finally fell in on them. Unfortunately so did the careers, pensions, and futures of tens of thousands of airline employees.
Those CEO's drove the industry to the ground. No pilot group has had the leverage to do anything but try to make up for those mistakes by gutting their contracts and hoping there is enough unrestriced cash on hand to weather enormous fuel costs, incredibly high taxes and fees, and the inability or unwillingness to raise fares to cover the cost of doing business.
Jet Blue is unique and innovative, but has a long way to go to learn the lessons AA and others have learned over the course of a maturing labor force. Once employees start to compare what is in their contracts with what the industry has supported (and alternatively tried to strip), they too will understand the meaning of "have nots," and at least attempt to put a decent pension and work rule package together.
To say that we pilots are to blame for the sorry state of the industry totally ignores the best efforts of greedy, self-important, arrogant CEO's (most of whom have been fired by now) -whose mandate to "balance the books on the backs of employees" has proven to be a total failure. Thank goodness those jerks were exposed and 20 years of their mismanagement finally fell in on them. Unfortunately so did the careers, pensions, and futures of tens of thousands of airline employees.
Those CEO's drove the industry to the ground. No pilot group has had the leverage to do anything but try to make up for those mistakes by gutting their contracts and hoping there is enough unrestriced cash on hand to weather enormous fuel costs, incredibly high taxes and fees, and the inability or unwillingness to raise fares to cover the cost of doing business.
04-30-2007, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by apdriver69
Sir James,
If you read my thread, i included a piece from a article i had read, which stated" Southwest and Jetblue are the benchmark of the industry".
If you read my thread, i included a piece from a article i had read, which stated" Southwest and Jetblue are the benchmark of the industry".
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