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flyBry 12-15-2008 12:58 PM

Heavy
 
What exactly does the "heavy" after the call sign, mean? I have an educated guess, but I'd rather hear it from the pro's. And no, I will not just google it.

Diver Driver 12-15-2008 01:11 PM


Originally Posted by flyBry (Post 519031)
What exactly does the "heavy" after the call sign, mean? I have an educated guess, but I'd rather hear it from the pro's. And no, I will not just google it.

"Heavy" is designated for aircraft with a takeoff weight of 255,000 pounds or greater. Although they use "Super" in place of "Heavy" when using the call sign for an A-380 for increased aircraft separation due to its exceptionally heavy weight and large size.

Thedude 12-15-2008 01:13 PM


Originally Posted by flyBry (Post 519031)
What exactly does the "heavy" after the call sign, mean? I have an educated guess, but I'd rather hear it from the pro's. And no, I will not just google it.

You could have easily looked at the FARs, wikipedia or GOOGLED it.
It means an aircraft with a takeoff weight above 255,000 lbs.

normajean21 12-15-2008 01:15 PM

why do you ask? and no i will not just google it

flyBry 12-15-2008 01:26 PM

Thanks Diver, that's the answer I was looking for.
It just seems like when ever I ask a question on here, there is always someone that says: you could have just googled it.
Well, you can google everything... whats the point of having a forum then?
Thanks for the answer though.

UAL T38 Phlyer 12-15-2008 02:07 PM

Resons...
 
FlyBry:

I'm trying to remember if this is done ICAO-wide, or just in the US. Been too long since I've flown International or on a heavy.

Regardless, the intent is to inform other aircraft on-frequency that the aircraft is likely to have very strong wake vortices. ATC should provide adequate separation, but pilots are allowed to ask for additional separation.

The B-757 has probably the worst vortex of any airliner, and models that do not meet the 255,000 lb weight category are still called "Heavy" on the radio.

hotshot 12-15-2008 02:19 PM

Let me google that for you :p :)

Ottopilot 12-15-2008 02:38 PM


Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer (Post 519078)
FlyBry:

I'm trying to remember if this is done ICAO-wide, or just in the US. Been too long since I've flown International or on a heavy.


The B-757 has probably the worst vortex of any airliner, and models that do not meet the 255,000 lb weight category are still called "Heavy" on the radio.

I fly international and we do not use "heavy" outside the USA. It seems the foreign controllers are smart enough to read the strips in front of them?

Also, many don't know or care, but you only use "heavy" in the call sign on tower and approach, not center.

CAL 757-200's are 255,000lbs, but do not use "heavy"? Different airlines have different weights/models. The 757-300's are heavy.

hollingsworth 12-15-2008 03:58 PM

Also, many don't know or care, but you only use "heavy" in the call sign on tower and approach, not center.

Not true in Canada.

Photon 12-15-2008 04:00 PM

Guess it's not much for the sake of the controller as it is for the trailing Cessna :p


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