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Old 02-17-2009, 11:45 AM
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From Seattle PI:

The Census Bureau needs to hire 4,000 people in Washington state this year to work on the 2010 census, according to the governor's office.

Temporary employees in Seattle, Tacoma and Spokane are needed to promote the Census, recruit job applicants, and interview members of the population about health, housing, income and crime.
Several types of positions are available. Field representatives, for example, interview people at randomly selected addresses using a laptop computer, making up to $14.33 per hour.

Washington has incentive to count its people as accurately as possible because federal funding is based on the results of the Census, which occurs every decade. The federal government allocates at least $300 billion per year based on census data, according to the state.
"This is not only an opportunity for thousands of Washingtonians to gain much-needed employment, this census ensures Washington receives its fair share of federal funds," Gregoire said in a statement. "Every Washingtonian who completes the census form means about $800 of federal funds each year coming to Washington for roads, community and senior centers, schools, hospitals and emergency preparedness."
Census data also determine how many seats each state has in the U.S. Senate and House of Representatives and in their legislatures.

"It is very important for each of us to be counted, especially our diverse communities," said Ellen Abellera, executive director of the Governor's Commission on Asian Pacific American Affairs. "This census will help determine the needs for social services, community development block grants and other grant programs essential to many communities."

Job candidates should contact the Census recruiting department at 866-861-2010 or visit www.census.gov/rosea/www/emply.html.
The Census begins in March 2010.
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"Washington has incentive to count its people as accurately as possible because federal funding is based on the results of the Census, which occurs every decade."

A very good reason to not participate in the taking or giving of census information.

They already have more info than they need through numerous data bases tied to your SSN and way too many government/private agencies.

A few more tidbits:

Today illegal or recently legalized aliens may fear deportation. If in the late 1990s the United States suffered an unexpected resurgence of racism and xenophobia, how would the Department of Justice know which neighborhoods to search for illegal aliens? The Census Bureau would probably hand over lists of neighborhoods with high proportions of low-income People with Hispanic or Caribbean ancestry. It is little wonder that many, recent immigrants refuse to cooperate with the census.

When other government agencies call for assistance, the Census Bureau may not even keep its word about the sanctity of data on individual households. During World War I the bureau turned over the name-and-address lists to the Justice Department for use in the search for draft resisters.

Even Americans who don't fear persecution or prosecution may be concerned about census confidentiality. The Census Bureau is already advertising its new commercial product that will. help marketers and credit bureaus zero in on individual households. The TIGER (Topical Integrated Geographic Encoding and Referencing) system will "include demographic data by census block." (A census block comprises 200 or fewer people.)

Names and addresses will be omitted, but most of the other "confidential" census data will be divulged -- including those on marital status, health and income.

Credit bureaus such as TRW, which already have vast computer files on nearly everyone, will be able to use TIGER to find out a good deal more. For example, the census long form asks how many cars a household owns.

TRW could buy the data for a census block and find that only one household in the block owns three cars. As a credit-reporting service, TIM might already have a file on a particular household in the area that had taken out three car loans. TRW, by matching this data with the TIGER data, could then use "confidential" census information to learn about the income, dependents, house size, race ethnicity and marital status of members of the household.

The Census Bureau, since it did not disclose anyone's name and address, would claim that it had kept its vow of confidentiality.

The federal government has gone into the business of helping commercial enterprises find out. intimate personal data, such as the fact that an unmarried couple is living together. The legality of the Census Bureau's operating as a reporting service for businesses is dubious.

The Constitution authorizes a census for the purpose of congressional apportionment and for direct. taxation (a tax based on the population of a state). For those constitutional purposes, a simple name and address questionnaire would suffice.

The Census Bureau has shied away from legal confrontations over its extensive, collection of personal information. The. penalty for refusing to -answer the census is only $100, and false answers, bring a penalty of only $500. Yet the bureau did not prosecute a single nonrespondent in 1980.

Perhaps the Census Bureau is afraid of what courts would do with a census case. In West Germany in the early 1980s, a census boycott and then a court injunction delayed the census for several years. When Germany's highest court finally heard the case, it ruled that many citizens could refuse to answer many census questions such as those about place of employment number of automobiles, health and income.

In the United States those questions still must be answered on the long census form, but the bureau steers clear of a court test of their legality. Homeless people, recent immigrants and people with an old-fashioned skepticism about big government probably will continue to resist a government agency that has turned itself into a for-profit adjunct of the credit bureaus.


Ring, ring: Is Mr. Smuckatelly in? This is the census.
Someone: No, I'm sorry, Mr. Smuckatelly just left on a two year sabatical to Paraguay with his two cats, Winston and Tunces.
I am the butler/maid/caretaker, may I help you? No, I am not aware of those specifics, nor would I be at liberty to share them with you if I were. Good day.

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Holy cow Jungle. I'm gonna make sure to wear my Kevlar before I knock on your door while selling encyclopedias!
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Originally Posted by jungle View Post
"Washington has incentive to count its people as accurately as possible because federal funding is based on the results of the Census, which occurs every decade."

A very good reason to not participate in the taking or giving of census information.

They already have more info than they need through numerous data bases tied to your SSN and way too many government/private agencies.

A few more tidbits:

Today illegal or recently legalized aliens may fear deportation. If in the late 1990s the United States suffered an unexpected resurgence of racism and xenophobia, how would the Department of Justice know which neighborhoods to search for illegal aliens? The Census Bureau would probably hand over lists of neighborhoods with high proportions of low-income People with Hispanic or Caribbean ancestry. It is little wonder that many, recent immigrants refuse to cooperate with the census.

When other government agencies call for assistance, the Census Bureau may not even keep its word about the sanctity of data on individual households. During World War I the bureau turned over the name-and-address lists to the Justice Department for use in the search for draft resisters.

Even Americans who don't fear persecution or prosecution may be concerned about census confidentiality. The Census Bureau is already advertising its new commercial product that will. help marketers and credit bureaus zero in on individual households. The TIGER (Topical Integrated Geographic Encoding and Referencing) system will "include demographic data by census block." (A census block comprises 200 or fewer people.)

Names and addresses will be omitted, but most of the other "confidential" census data will be divulged -- including those on marital status, health and income.

Credit bureaus such as TRW, which already have vast computer files on nearly everyone, will be able to use TIGER to find out a good deal more. For example, the census long form asks how many cars a household owns.

TRW could buy the data for a census block and find that only one household in the block owns three cars. As a credit-reporting service, TIM might already have a file on a particular household in the area that had taken out three car loans. TRW, by matching this data with the TIGER data, could then use "confidential" census information to learn about the income, dependents, house size, race ethnicity and marital status of members of the household.

The Census Bureau, since it did not disclose anyone's name and address, would claim that it had kept its vow of confidentiality.

The federal government has gone into the business of helping commercial enterprises find out. intimate personal data, such as the fact that an unmarried couple is living together. The legality of the Census Bureau's operating as a reporting service for businesses is dubious.

The Constitution authorizes a census for the purpose of congressional apportionment and for direct. taxation (a tax based on the population of a state). For those constitutional purposes, a simple name and address questionnaire would suffice.

The Census Bureau has shied away from legal confrontations over its extensive, collection of personal information. The. penalty for refusing to -answer the census is only $100, and false answers, bring a penalty of only $500. Yet the bureau did not prosecute a single nonrespondent in 1980.

Perhaps the Census Bureau is afraid of what courts would do with a census case. In West Germany in the early 1980s, a census boycott and then a court injunction delayed the census for several years. When Germany's highest court finally heard the case, it ruled that many citizens could refuse to answer many census questions such as those about place of employment number of automobiles, health and income.

In the United States those questions still must be answered on the long census form, but the bureau steers clear of a court test of their legality. Homeless people, recent immigrants and people with an old-fashioned skepticism about big government probably will continue to resist a government agency that has turned itself into a for-profit adjunct of the credit bureaus.


Ring, ring: Is Mr. Smuckatelly in? This is the census.
Someone: No, I'm sorry, Mr. Smuckatelly just left on a two year sabatical to Paraguay with his two cats, Winston and Tunces.
I am the butler/maid/caretaker, may I help you? No, I am not aware of those specifics, nor would I be at liberty to share them with you if I were. Good day.
Yea, I have seen this guys gun collection... Might want add on the Flak Jacket, Impact vest, Helmet, goggles, and the Countermine just in case...

On a serious note, this is why I like this guy... Even though I am in the Army, and I am more or less Uncle Sames little b*tch, I do not feel good about answering those questions, Is it really their business? And how do I know it is safe? I do not like it at all...

Isnt that also how they rounded up all of the Japanese Americans in WW2? I dunno man Scarey stuff that is... Imma get my tinfoil hat ready...
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Tinfoil hats...
Hmmm...
I'm having a brainstorm...
I'm wondering if the upcoming census could ask the public if they've ever worn, or considered wearing aluminum headgear.
I'm thinking I could come up with some good business plans if I could get ahold of that data.
Better than that dang ol' red versus blue states stuff anyway.
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Originally Posted by Kilgore Trout View Post
Tinfoil hats...
Hmmm...
I'm having a brainstorm...
I'm wondering if the upcoming census could ask the public if they've ever worn, or considered wearing aluminum headgear.
I'm thinking I could come up with some good business plans if I could get ahold of that data.
Better than that dang ol' red versus blue states stuff anyway.

Tinfoil futures, it is the way to go, what with the financial markets the way they are-the question is not whether you need tinfoil, but only if you are wearing a sufficient thickness.

Hannibal Lecter: A census taker once tried to test me. I ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti.


There really is only an illusion of privacy these days. Once you know what even an unskilled private investigator can find out about you from just a name, or plate number or even just a telephone number you will never view the world as a friendly open place with any concern at all about your privacy.
The Federal data base is growing more extensive every year, the details they have on most of us would surprise quite a few. Most of these data bases share and cross search easily.
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Originally Posted by Kilgore Trout View Post
Holy cow Jungle. I'm gonna make sure to wear my Kevlar before I knock on your door while selling encyclopedias!

Everyone knows there is no such thing as an encyclopedia salesman anymore, it would be a dead giveaway. I would suggest something like the mailman in Three Days of The Condor-the uniform always puts them at ease, at least until the suppressed MAC-10 comes out of the bag.
Kevlar won't help a bit, think Level III or IV at a minimum, bulky and easy to spot though.
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When the Mutant Zombie Bikers show up I hope to be manning a forward OP helping defend your place Jungle.

Strange days indeed.
This thread is reminding me of something that happened to me a few years ago.
Went into state DMV to get a copy of my driving record, they printed it out for me- clean as expected- but when I got home I looked at it more closely. Under my real name, there was an AKA (also known as) entry with my last name spelled slightly different, same pronunciation. Called the local DMV I'd visited- was told "Oh, don't worry about it, happens all the time". Huh, I thought, and started getting a bit hot under the collar. Explained to the staffer that it was for employment, I was an aviator, also in the Guard, and that this stuff was most definately a big deal for me. Would the FAA, Guard, a prospective employer, or a law enforcement officer running my driver's license or registration through their checks think it was "no big deal" that I had an alias? Could not get that point across to the lower level of DMV, and ended up with a long process of back and forth with state DMV HQ, very much frustration, and finally resolution when a higher up understood my concern. Alias was removed from record. The explanantion? Apparently a data entry error somewhere along the line, probably during a registration renewal. Strange but true. Check your records when you can.
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Word for the day, or days:

"Kafkaesque" is a term used to describe concepts, situations, and ideas which are reminiscent of the literary work of Prague writer Franz Kafka, particularly his novels The Trial, The Castle and the novella The Metamorphosis.

The term, which is quite fluid in definition, has also been described as "marked by a senseless, disorienting, often menacing complexity: Kafkaesque bureaucracies" [1] and "marked by surreal distortion and often a sense of impending danger: Kafkaesque fantasies of the impassive interrogation, the false trial, the confiscated passport ... haunt his innocence" — The New Yorker. [2]

It can also describe an intentional distortion of reality by powerful but anonymous bureaucrats. "Lack of evidence is treated as a pesky inconvenience, to be circumvented by such Kafkaesque means as depositing unproven allegations into sealed files ..." Another definition would be an existentialist state of ever-elusive freedom while existing under unmitigatable control.

The adjective refers to anything suggestive of Kafka, especially his nightmarish type of narration, in which characters lack a clear course of action, the ability to see beyond immediate events, and the possibility of escape. The term's meaning has transcended the literary realm to apply to real-life occurrences and situations that are incomprehensibly complex, bizarre, or illogical.
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