Search

Notices
Hangar Talk For non-aviation-related discussion and aviation threads that don't belong elsewhere

Air Marshals / LEOs

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 06-07-2006 | 05:06 PM
  #1  
davind85's Avatar
Thread Starter
On Reserve
 
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 23
Likes: 0
Default Air Marshals / LEOs

As reported by the Denver Local News:

DENVER -- Since Sept. 11, 2001, federal air marshals have been traveling on thousands of flights. Their job is to track suspected terrorists and deter anyone who might try to highjack a plane. But some marshals are concerned about what happened when one of their bosses was reported sleeping on a flight.

The concern is about the agent in charge of the Denver office, Tony Hedges. According to a former senior United flight attendant, Hedges, who was carrying a gun, was sleeping on a flight to Washington, D.C., which makes him vulnerable to being disarmed.

The flight attendant informed authorities, but federal officials never investigated.

Airline and federal sources say the incident occurred on an early-morning United flight in March 2004.

Hedges was sitting in a middle seat near the center of the plane. He was armed, but not working the flight.

Two other working air marshals were in the front of the plane. The head flight attendant on the plane noticed that Hedges was sleeping and went forward to tell the other marshals.

The e-mail sent by the head flight attendant said, "Since we require a visual of all (persons carrying firearms aboard) I purposely check on them during the flight. ... If (you're) carrying a firearm, shouldn't you be aware of the environment around you at all times?"

The senior flight attendant, part of the Attendant's Safety and Security Group, was so concerned about the issue that the attendant sent the e-mail to contacts at the Denver Air Marshal's Office.

Sources there told 7NEWS that the incident was reported to a supervisor, but apparently, it went no further.

Hedges called the incident "a cockamamy lie."

But later, a spokesman in Washington said the agency was not aware of the incident and said it will be fully investigated. The spokesman said any agent traveling with a gun on an airplane must be in control of the weapon at all times and said Hedges claimed that he was in control.

In any case, there was no investigation and this is an example of what many agents in Denver's air marshal's office claim is the double standard for managers and contributes to poor morale.


Wow.
Reply
Old 06-09-2006 | 02:26 PM
  #2  
JSchraub's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 252
Likes: 0
From: Student
Default

That's great. Sleeping and smuggling drugs. How much do they get paid?
Reply
Old 06-09-2006 | 05:30 PM
  #3  
davind85's Avatar
Thread Starter
On Reserve
 
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 23
Likes: 0
Default

I was thinking the SAME thing.
Reply
Old 06-15-2006 | 03:50 AM
  #4  
Ottopilot's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 2,576
Likes: 0
From: 737 CA
Default

If he was not on duty or working the flight, let him sleep. He's on his own time.
Reply
Old 06-15-2006 | 04:19 AM
  #5  
Slice's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 3,652
Likes: 0
From: Spartan
Default

I think everyone needs to take a deep breath here. We all know that FA's are always right as is the news media.
Reply
Old 06-15-2006 | 05:03 PM
  #6  
surreal1221's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 903
Likes: 0
Thumbs down

Originally Posted by Slice
I think everyone needs to take a deep breath here. We all know that FA's are always right as is the news media.
Our government isn't always as truthful either.

Nevertheless, this is just another fine example of a fine government employee abusing the system. Sad.
Reply
Old 06-15-2006 | 05:18 PM
  #7  
Ottopilot's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 2,576
Likes: 0
From: 737 CA
Default

Originally Posted by surreal1221
Our government isn't always as truthful either.

Nevertheless, this is just another fine example of a fine government employee abusing the system. Sad.
What abuse? He's traveling, not working. He has no law enforcement duties to do. Sleep away.
Reply
Old 06-15-2006 | 05:24 PM
  #8  
calcapt's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 777
Likes: 0
From: 737 Captain
Default

FFDO's are allowed to sleep on flights so long as their weapon is in their immediate control. Can't be specific but this is not a big deal - trust me!
Reply
Old 06-15-2006 | 05:31 PM
  #9  
Slice's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 3,652
Likes: 0
From: Spartan
Default

Originally Posted by surreal1221
Our government isn't always as truthful either.

Nevertheless, this is just another fine example of a fine government employee abusing the system. Sad.
So, you're one of those, eh? Watch out for the black helicopters!
Reply
Old 06-15-2006 | 05:50 PM
  #10  
surreal1221's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 903
Likes: 0
Thumbs up

Originally Posted by Slice
So, you're one of those, eh? Watch out for the black helicopters!
Ah of course, we should be naive and believe everything this government tells us. Oh god!

Where's my tin hat

Originally Posted by Ottopilot
What abuse? He's traveling, not working. He has no law enforcement duties to do. Sleep away.
Not directly to this article, but in reference to government employees abusing the system by smuggling drugs, etc. Sorry for the confusion.

Last edited by surreal1221; 06-15-2006 at 05:52 PM.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
ERJ135
Foreign
6
01-03-2013 07:25 PM
Big Dog
Regional
23
09-11-2006 02:46 PM
Oscar13601
Cargo
23
09-06-2006 07:12 AM
mogley68
Cargo
4
08-10-2006 06:44 AM
RockBottom
Hangar Talk
2
02-13-2006 05:42 AM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Your Privacy Choices