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Old 11-16-2010 | 03:12 AM
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Old 11-16-2010 | 06:40 AM
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So why are humans so arrogant to believe that we can pump shloads of CO2 and pollutants into the air on grand scales that far exceed volcanic emissions without any consequence?
That's an easy one. All the pollutants that we pump into the air just fall off the edge of the Earth when they get there.
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Old 11-16-2010 | 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Busboy
That's an easy one. All the pollutants that we pump into the air just fall off the edge of the Earth when they get there.

Silly me I thought all that extra CO2 was eaten up by all those green trees and extra life that has always thrived when CO2 levels were higher than now. Wasnt that when we had the most diversity in life, when co2 was abundunt. Isnt diversity our strength or does that only apply when a bunch of foreigners are mooching off the welfare state?

Just like temperature co2 levels have gone up and down through out earths history. Whether man was pumping it out or not.
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Old 11-16-2010 | 02:27 PM
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Some Really Inconvenient Truths
Bjørn Lomborg fights the forces of climate hysteria in the new documentary Cool It.
Kurt Loder | November 11, 2010



The world is not coming to an end. I know: shocker! And yet there are still people who feel otherwise. These climate alarmists—whose tribe has somewhat dwindled of late—believe the seas will all too soon rise 20 feet and submerge our cities; that the noble polar bear is on the very cusp of extinction; that our planet, in sum, is hurtling toward a fiery doom.

The Danish environmentalist Bjørn Lomborg is not one of these people. True, he does believe that global warming exists, that human beings are at least partly responsible for it, and that something must be done. But in his two contrarian books, The Skeptical Enviromentalist (published in English in 2001) and Cool It (2007), Lomborg argues that the strategies employed over the last two decades—the speculative ecological horror stories, the vast siphonings of money into the cause—are outdated and ineffectual. Like the late free-market environmentalist Julian Simon, whose theories launched his own journey away from alarmism, Lomborg believes that human ingenuity is the key to planetary improvement. And now, in Ondi Timoner’s provocative new documentary, also called Cool It, Lomborg travels the world to make that case in a most persuasive way.

The alarmist community’s objections to Lomborg—apart from his sunny, upbeat plausibility, which must surely rankle—often concern his academic bona fides. Although his focus is on economics, statistics and cost-benefit analyses, his Ph.D., they point out, is actually in political science. So, like, what could he know? In fact, Danish scientists were so angered by The Skeptical Environmentalist that they complained to the Danish Committees on Scientific Dishonesty (paging Mr. Galileo!), which ruled that the book’s conclusions were in fact “dishonest,” but that, in effect, Lomborg was too ignorant to realize it. (This decision was subsequently dismissed, rather curtly, by higher Danish scientific authorities.)

In the film, Lomborg deals with this episode forthrightly. He also allows a generous amount of screen time to Stanford University environmental biologist Stephen Schneider, one of his most hostile antagonists. (“This guy needs to be taken down,” Schneider says.) And he does this without bringing up Schneider’s role in helping to trigger the long-building backlash against ecological alarmism with his famous remark in a 1989 magazine interview that “we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we might have”—a foreshadowing of last year’s “Climategate” email leaks.

In addition, Lomborg credits An Inconvenient Truth, the Al Gore movie, with helping to raise awareness of global warming, although through often-dubious assertions. For example, the polar bear population, Lomborg says, has actually increased since the 1960s, and is now most endangered by Arctic hunters, who shoot between 300 and 500 of the animals every year. Gore’s prediction of a 20-foot rise in sea levels was wildly overwrought; but in any case, Lomborg observes, “Sea levels in the last century rose one foot—did anyone notice?” He also says that, while global warming is a serious concern, we should bear in mind that human beings manage to thrive both on the equator and at the frozen poles: “People can adapt to climate, which is always changing.”

Lomborg believes that the world climate summits held in Rio, Kyoto, and Copenhagen over the last 18 years have been futile, because no country—especially such rising powerhouses as China and India, just now emerging into prosperity—will agree to cold-**** its economy in order to join the wispy Western global-warming crusade. And he claims that since the $250 billion the European Union spends every year to combat warming will ultimately reduce temperatures by only one-tenth of one percent, that money would be better channeled into worldwide battles against malaria and AIDS—diseases that are killing people right now—and into funding new climate technology.

Traveling through Europe, the U.S., and Africa, Lomborg consults with several eminent scientists (like theoretical physicist Freeman Dyson, who says that the computer climate-simulation models upon which so much ecological alarmism relies “do not begin to describe the real world we live in”); and he points out the promise of wave power, sea-borne windmills, algae-based fuel, and a prospective nuclear technology that could lead to the creation of nuclear reactors that run on nuclear waste. He also brings in Benjamin Franklin, whose observation that an Icelandic volcano eruption in 1783 had caused an abnormally severe winter in Europe suggests, Lomborg says, that artificial volcanoes could be employed to cool the Earth today.

A significant part of Lomborg’s appeal lies in his lack of dogmatic certitude. In his search for concrete solutions, he never presents himself as an infallible authority, and he appears to welcome detractors. When the pugnacious Professor Schneider died last summer, before the picture’s completion, Lomborg must have felt the loss of a useful critic—Cool It is dedicated to Schneider’s memory.

Kurt Loder is a writer, among other things, embedded in New York.
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Old 12-19-2010 | 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by jungle
Some Really Inconvenient Truths...
So...support the troops or no?

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The U.S.S. Prius

By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN

Published: December 18, 2010


As I was saying, the thing I love most about America is that there’s always somebody here who doesn’t get the word — and they go out and do the right thing or invent the new thing, no matter what’s going on politically or economically. And what could save America’s energy future — at a time when a fraudulent, anti-science campaign funded largely by Big Oil and Big Coal has blocked Congress from passing any clean energy/climate bill — is the fact that the Navy and Marine Corps just didn’t get the word...

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/19/op...lines&emc=a212


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Old 12-19-2010 | 10:30 PM
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Don't forget those nuclear powered carriers and subs, the ultimate in green, and they protect flowers and children and other living things.



" And what could save America’s energy future — at a time when a fraudulent, anti-science campaign funded largely by Big Oil and Big Coal has blocked Congress from passing any clean energy/climate bill ..."

Sometimes economic and scientific reality gets the upper hand, but dreamers prefer conspiracy as the primary modus operandi. There is nothing quite so grand as pointing out the forces of imagined evil while the real evil trundles away with the loot.

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Old 12-20-2010 | 04:45 AM
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Originally Posted by N2264J
So...support the troops or no?

________________________________

The U.S.S. Prius

By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN

Published: December 18, 2010


As I was saying, the thing I love most about America is that there’s always somebody here who doesn’t get the word — and they go out and do the right thing or invent the new thing, no matter what’s going on politically or economically. And what could save America’s energy future — at a time when a fraudulent, anti-science campaign funded largely by Big Oil and Big Coal has blocked Congress from passing any clean energy/climate bill — is the fact that the Navy and Marine Corps just didn’t get the word...

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/19/op...lines&emc=a212


I love it, ethanol is the bad guy. Once more time proves the right was right and the lefties were kooks. Very similar to the paper-plastic-paper-plastic-paper-plastic-paper-plastic-paper-plastic-paper-plastic-paper-plastic-paper-plastic-paper-plastic debate.

Think we can find a friedman article from the past demanding we switch to ethanol, coincidentally occuring at about the same time 60 Minutes is running an expose on how ethanol is our future if only big oil would get out of the way.
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Old 12-20-2010 | 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
Think we can find a friedman article from the past demanding we switch to ethanol, coincidentally occuring at about the same time 60 Minutes is running an expose on how ethanol is our future if only big oil would get out of the way.
Oh, ethanol is our future alright. Just not corn ethanol.
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Old 12-20-2010 | 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by N2264J
Oh, ethanol is our future alright. Just not corn ethanol.
No doubt, that is why we should have let the market work for the last 30 years. Maybe some corn alternatives would have been developed 20 years ago, but alas the gooberment money focused (and wasted) most of the research on corn.
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Old 12-20-2010 | 12:14 PM
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MORE GLOBAL WARMING PROOF!
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