Posting Company Procedures
07-25-2011 | 10:52 AM
#11
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Anybody who thinks airplane information is "sensitive security info" doesn't have the faintest concept of what SSI *truly* is. If it were truly "sensitive", there's no way in HELL the DHS would allow SmartCockpit - Airline training guides, Aviation, Operations, Safety to exist.
07-25-2011 | 12:26 PM
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From: B777
I would 100% agree that those particular topics should not generally be shared...though I have previously asked what hotel a certain airline RON'd at in a certain city as a way of verifying the quality of a certain property I was planning to stay at.
I personally don't think a request for aircraft systems, cockpit flows, etc. is anything to be concerned with...that said, your website and your rules and I respect that (as everyone else should).
I personally don't think a request for aircraft systems, cockpit flows, etc. is anything to be concerned with...that said, your website and your rules and I respect that (as everyone else should).
I also agree that general aircraft systems discussions aren't a security threat. What we do have a problem with is detailed company and cockpit procedures, info on crew movements - including layover hotels, and any information that could put a crew doing their job in harms way. There are some topics that don't need to be made public.
Another issue we've experienced is airlines asserting that their copyrighted and proprietary works are being released to the public via the forum. The endgame of an airlines' inquiry is to find the identity of the poster so they can take disciplinary action. When we receive a subpoena (fortunately it doesn't happen often), we are bound by a court order to comply. By moderating certain topics, like security, we can save ourselves some legal fees and potentially protect pilot jobs.
When it comes to security related info, our feeling is that if you need to know, you'll know, or at least have access to the information through company channels.
All that said, this is a community forum and we're always open to suggestions on how to find that balance between the awareness of crew safety and openly publishing information.
Cheers
07-25-2011 | 03:53 PM
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From: A320 Cap
Thought that would get your attention.
To the individual seeking information on the CRJ, despite what the self-important would like to have you believe, this information is *not* SSI. There may be specific pages in your Flight Operations Manual that relate to security procedures which are designated as sensitive, but this designation can only be made by the government, not our illustrious mods or the company. Most importantly, these pages are specifically noted on each affected page. Redistribution of company manuals does constitute a violation of copyright, but this is likely defensible under the Fair Use exception as long as the individual does not (1) profit, or (2) mass disseminate the information.
That said, I do agree with the mod that you are best served by getting the company-specific information in training. The CRJ does not have many differences at the 200 level, but when you move to Boeings you will find it is best to wait and learn what they want you to learn and not pick up extraneous info about variations that your company does not operate. A Google search will turn up websites with some basic systems info if you are still chomping at the bit. Personally I recommend a review of your basic IFR stuff - hold procedures, raw-data NDBs, re-reading the AIM - all the stuff you may have gotten rusty on but don't want to have to be reviewing while in the sim.
To the mod who closed this guy's thread: shame on you. With all the whinging that takes place on this board and in cockpits, regional and legacy, about the supposed immaturity and lack of professionalism of regional pilots way to go and discourage someone who is actually trying to be a motivated professional pilot and exceed the bare minimum. If you are so determined to keep this board from being another FlightInfo maybe you should promote this kind of discussion - or do you prefer the "Surejet Sucks" and "Hats vs. Leather Jackets, Episode XXXVIII" threads?
To TonyB: When in doubt, it's located in the aft equipment bay. And the dry weight of the entire wing assembly of the 200LR is 4,747 pounds - a little trivia from the factory for you there.
SSI. Give me a break.
To the individual seeking information on the CRJ, despite what the self-important would like to have you believe, this information is *not* SSI. There may be specific pages in your Flight Operations Manual that relate to security procedures which are designated as sensitive, but this designation can only be made by the government, not our illustrious mods or the company. Most importantly, these pages are specifically noted on each affected page. Redistribution of company manuals does constitute a violation of copyright, but this is likely defensible under the Fair Use exception as long as the individual does not (1) profit, or (2) mass disseminate the information.
That said, I do agree with the mod that you are best served by getting the company-specific information in training. The CRJ does not have many differences at the 200 level, but when you move to Boeings you will find it is best to wait and learn what they want you to learn and not pick up extraneous info about variations that your company does not operate. A Google search will turn up websites with some basic systems info if you are still chomping at the bit. Personally I recommend a review of your basic IFR stuff - hold procedures, raw-data NDBs, re-reading the AIM - all the stuff you may have gotten rusty on but don't want to have to be reviewing while in the sim.
To the mod who closed this guy's thread: shame on you. With all the whinging that takes place on this board and in cockpits, regional and legacy, about the supposed immaturity and lack of professionalism of regional pilots way to go and discourage someone who is actually trying to be a motivated professional pilot and exceed the bare minimum. If you are so determined to keep this board from being another FlightInfo maybe you should promote this kind of discussion - or do you prefer the "Surejet Sucks" and "Hats vs. Leather Jackets, Episode XXXVIII" threads?
To TonyB: When in doubt, it's located in the aft equipment bay. And the dry weight of the entire wing assembly of the 200LR is 4,747 pounds - a little trivia from the factory for you there.
SSI. Give me a break.
I challenge this: Since you seem quite sure that there isn't anything wrong with posting such info, post it with your name and airline. If it's no problem, then it shouldn't be a worry, correct?
07-25-2011 | 03:54 PM
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I'd offer that the PM feature is a great way to ask for, and receive info and advice from forum users that shouldn't be made public. You've been around long enough to know who's who, so hopefully you'd have some leads for certain topics.
I also agree that general aircraft systems discussions aren't a security threat. What we do have a problem with is detailed company and cockpit procedures, info on crew movements - including layover hotels, and any information that could put a crew doing their job in harms way. There are some topics that don't need to be made public.
Another issue we've experienced is airlines asserting that their copyrighted and proprietary works are being released to the public via the forum. The endgame of an airlines' inquiry is to find the identity of the poster so they can take disciplinary action. When we receive a subpoena (fortunately it doesn't happen often), we are bound by a court order to comply. By moderating certain topics, like security, we can save ourselves some legal fees and potentially protect pilot jobs.
When it comes to security related info, our feeling is that if you need to know, you'll know, or at least have access to the information through company channels.
All that said, this is a community forum and we're always open to suggestions on how to find that balance between the awareness of crew safety and openly publishing information.
Cheers
I also agree that general aircraft systems discussions aren't a security threat. What we do have a problem with is detailed company and cockpit procedures, info on crew movements - including layover hotels, and any information that could put a crew doing their job in harms way. There are some topics that don't need to be made public.
Another issue we've experienced is airlines asserting that their copyrighted and proprietary works are being released to the public via the forum. The endgame of an airlines' inquiry is to find the identity of the poster so they can take disciplinary action. When we receive a subpoena (fortunately it doesn't happen often), we are bound by a court order to comply. By moderating certain topics, like security, we can save ourselves some legal fees and potentially protect pilot jobs.
When it comes to security related info, our feeling is that if you need to know, you'll know, or at least have access to the information through company channels.
All that said, this is a community forum and we're always open to suggestions on how to find that balance between the awareness of crew safety and openly publishing information.
Cheers
07-25-2011 | 04:11 PM
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I'd offer that the PM feature is a great way to ask for, and receive info and advice from forum users that shouldn't be made public. You've been around long enough to know who's who, so hopefully you'd have some leads for certain topics.
I also agree that general aircraft systems discussions aren't a security threat. What we do have a problem with is detailed company and cockpit procedures, info on crew movements - including layover hotels, and any information that could put a crew doing their job in harms way. There are some topics that don't need to be made public.
Another issue we've experienced is airlines asserting that their copyrighted and proprietary works are being released to the public via the forum. The endgame of an airlines' inquiry is to find the identity of the poster so they can take disciplinary action. When we receive a subpoena (fortunately it doesn't happen often), we are bound by a court order to comply. By moderating certain topics, like security, we can save ourselves some legal fees and potentially protect pilot jobs.
When it comes to security related info, our feeling is that if you need to know, you'll know, or at least have access to the information through company channels.
All that said, this is a community forum and we're always open to suggestions on how to find that balance between the awareness of crew safety and openly publishing information.
Cheers
I also agree that general aircraft systems discussions aren't a security threat. What we do have a problem with is detailed company and cockpit procedures, info on crew movements - including layover hotels, and any information that could put a crew doing their job in harms way. There are some topics that don't need to be made public.
Another issue we've experienced is airlines asserting that their copyrighted and proprietary works are being released to the public via the forum. The endgame of an airlines' inquiry is to find the identity of the poster so they can take disciplinary action. When we receive a subpoena (fortunately it doesn't happen often), we are bound by a court order to comply. By moderating certain topics, like security, we can save ourselves some legal fees and potentially protect pilot jobs.
When it comes to security related info, our feeling is that if you need to know, you'll know, or at least have access to the information through company channels.
All that said, this is a community forum and we're always open to suggestions on how to find that balance between the awareness of crew safety and openly publishing information.
Cheers
07-25-2011 | 04:33 PM
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From: B777
I think this speaks volumes as to the quality of moderation on this forum.
07-25-2011 | 08:10 PM
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Hello, it's Mr. Move Happy.
There's nothing in here about regional airlines, so off to the appropriate forum... Hangar Talk.
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