Wheel Landing - By The Numbers
#11
What I settled on was a three point landing and at touch down, I'd push the tail up so I could see then let the tail settle back down on its own.
I'm in no way a Pitts expert, just my opinion.
#14
Such an age old argument! I discussed this topic over beers with an ex-RNZAF Dakota pilot and ex-RAF Shackleton pilot. Both told me they'd catch grief from the crew if they wheel landed. "What's the matter mate, you can't bloody 3 point the thing."
The ex-Dak pilot was a 61 year old active duty SQNLDR (with only 6 years break in service since commissioning). He gave me two flights in the sole RNZAF Harvard still operated by Central Flying School before I started a civilian AT-6 conversion. He looked me dead in the eyes and said, "Don't ever three point a Harvard on a sealed (paved) runway." The man is the most competent pilot I know with lots of close calls. He was actually an AT-6 QFI back in the seventies. I'd never seen his blood pressure rise one bit until it was time for me to learn to land the Harvard.
I did give the old three pointer a shot on a sealed runway (the syndicate's Harvard had a lockable tailwheel, the RNZAF's didn't). Slack winds, easy conditions. Worked out, but I was NERVOUS. Kept it wheelers on the seal, 3 pointers on the grass from then on.
The ex-Dak pilot was a 61 year old active duty SQNLDR (with only 6 years break in service since commissioning). He gave me two flights in the sole RNZAF Harvard still operated by Central Flying School before I started a civilian AT-6 conversion. He looked me dead in the eyes and said, "Don't ever three point a Harvard on a sealed (paved) runway." The man is the most competent pilot I know with lots of close calls. He was actually an AT-6 QFI back in the seventies. I'd never seen his blood pressure rise one bit until it was time for me to learn to land the Harvard.
I did give the old three pointer a shot on a sealed runway (the syndicate's Harvard had a lockable tailwheel, the RNZAF's didn't). Slack winds, easy conditions. Worked out, but I was NERVOUS. Kept it wheelers on the seal, 3 pointers on the grass from then on.
#15
No disrespect to your friend intended here.
I've made hundreds and hundreds of three point landings on pavement in a T-6 (SNJ). I don't get what the big deal is?
All of the the T-6's I've flown had locking tailwheels. I see form rereading your post that the Harvards that he flew did not. That would make a difference.
I've made hundreds and hundreds of three point landings on pavement in a T-6 (SNJ). I don't get what the big deal is?
All of the the T-6's I've flown had locking tailwheels. I see form rereading your post that the Harvards that he flew did not. That would make a difference.
#16
No disrespect to your friend intended here.
I've made hundreds and hundreds of three point landings on pavement in a T-6 (SNJ). I don't get what the big deal is?
All of the the T-6's I've flown had locking tailwheels. I see form rereading your post that the Harvards that he flew did not. That would make a difference.
I've made hundreds and hundreds of three point landings on pavement in a T-6 (SNJ). I don't get what the big deal is?
All of the the T-6's I've flown had locking tailwheels. I see form rereading your post that the Harvards that he flew did not. That would make a difference.
We all bring opinions/styles/techniques to flying. Most of them we didn't conjure up, but were passed by a pilot more senior to us. I've seen this throughout a wide range of flying. X-wind landing techniques, round loops verse egg shaped, wind corrections to VREF. All of them passed from generation to generation.
The syndicate I fly with completely avoids negative G's and fuel starvation to the Harvard engine. During my flights in the RNZAF AT-6, I learned the restart procedure after my IP shut the engine down. I also learned stall turns (hammer heads) and slow rolls in the RNZAF bird. The syndicate CFI I flew with during my conversion was startled when I slow rolled and stall turned the Harvard. He thought it was bad practice.
One pilot's norm is the next person's bad habit. I spun and stall turned a Yak-52 before I flew with an owner who thought I was nuts for doing so because of the potential to enter a flat spin. He passed me an article relating to extremely high control forces required to exit flat spins in a Yak. Didn't think twice when I was spinning and stall turning....just like you don't when you three point to a paved runway.
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