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Embraego 04-03-2012 03:30 PM


I hope we close the doors on this place. Last one out, please turn off the lights...
Trust me there are worse places.....RP is a safe harbor to weather any storm.

benairguitar23 04-04-2012 06:53 AM


Originally Posted by Embraego (Post 1163088)
Once again , there is no shortage of pilots at RP.
There is sim time available for now, for the current 170/190 group, not for lynx , not for new hires.
Pilots at RP have all the leverage they need. However comfortable captains at RP don't really care about all the same things a 6 year FO does. Secondly there is no Brotherhood.:)

I have to respecfully but emphatically disagree with you! I just finished a trip yesterday having had 3 captains on the trip! I skipped from one trip to the other to cover 2 F/O positions, and then I gave up my second captain because he was reassigned to fly as an F/O because there was still not enough`F/O coverage. And my final captain finally rejoined the trip he was supposed to be on the whole time because he was stuck in IND covering another trip for another captain. And when he finally joined us he told me that they had to cancel flights because of lack of coverage......but yeah there is no shortage of pilots at RAH :rolleyes:

Second, I just spoke to a Check Captain budy of mine who was in Sim all last month and he said he was working NON-STOP and still wasn't able to finish all of his guys waiting for Sim...so there goes the sim time availability theory

And finally, EVERY SINGLE Captain I have flown with has been nothing but supportive of all of us F/O's saying that they feel so bad and support us and our families and will do everything they can to help us all (entire pilot group) get a fair contract. And speaking of brotherhood, while we were going through the whole illegal F/O pay raise debacle I, as well as all the F/O's I spoke to, received so much praise and support from our captains that I would be proud to call each and every one of them my brothers....So much for lack of brotherhood

Again I say these things with the utmost respect but I have to disagree with everything you said because of the facts I just mentioned above, I just hope we are able to get a fair contract sooner rather than later.

Skypilotsv1984 04-04-2012 07:07 AM

Weathering the storm at RAH comes with a two year training contract. Two years to be slaved to the company for an SIC type? No thanks, I don't enjoy flying the RJ that much. My job at 9E is on the chopping block and I will NOT be applying to RAH.

icedawg8 04-04-2012 03:05 PM


Originally Posted by Skypilotsv1984 (Post 1163726)
Weathering the storm at RAH comes with a two year training contract. Two years to be slaved to the company for an SIC type? No thanks, I don't enjoy flying the RJ that much. My job at 9E is on the chopping block and I will NOT be applying to RAH.


That's fine with your situation, but they're going to start giving FOs their ATP and type in the plane. Plus, a 5 grand bonus. I'm not saying it's the best place to work, but if you have no other options or have the possibility of being based at home, I would go for it.

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Ronaldo 04-05-2012 05:57 AM

Not sure we'll see a "type". If there is any way to weasel out of it, you can bet RAH will find a way. Just as many of these bonuses weren't paid last time around, they won't be paid this time around.

I REALLY would like hear if anyone has sued RAH for bait and switch with the last pay rate change they were emailing out to applicants. It might work for this bonus as well. RAH KNEW that they were changing the pay rates on a CBA during section 6 negotiations = major dispute. So they acted to intentionally deceive applicants from the time they were notified by the union, until they pulled the raise.

3stripes 04-05-2012 06:46 AM

How did they previously get out of paying the hiring bonuses?

Also, I see 79 guys left last month, where are they mainly leaving to?

sticky 04-05-2012 07:07 AM


Originally Posted by Skypilotsv1984 (Post 1163726)
My job at 9E is on the chopping block and I will NOT be applying to RAH.

smart thinking...cause those on probation at RAH will once again have their jobs on the chopping block.

Ronaldo 04-05-2012 07:33 AM


Originally Posted by 3stripes (Post 1164342)
How did they previously get out of paying the hiring bonuses?

Also, I see 79 guys left last month, where are they mainly leaving to?

I've heard of a few guys that had multiple bonuses unpaid. Management just didn't pay them. Somewhere from the DO down, they just refused to pay the bonus. I don't know case specifics, I've just read/talked to a few guys that were never paid. Not really a surprise with our management.

They changed their vesting in my 401K twice and gave me an "Unavailable" when I got orders to deploy. Imagine how considerate they are when you have a sick family member, car accident, stolen crew bag, or a complaint about not getting your bonus.

Spirit, corporate, jobs in better industries etc. Many of our FOs are qualified to do other work, and are tired of being treated worse than crap by our management so they bail.

Flamer 04-05-2012 05:16 PM


Originally Posted by Ronaldo (Post 1163219)
79 people gave up on this dump this month. Company managed to recruit 19, so a net loss of 60, or two people quitting per day. Imagine what will happen when people start hiring. I hope we close the doors on this place. Last one out, please turn off the lights...

That's an amazing statistic. How many active pilots do you have? And regarding your mil leave, you need to call the ESGR. Phone number is on the website. USSERA law is the law. They will help you crush the nuts of anyone that thinks they are above it. That's in spite of the fact that what was done to you is just downright unamerican.

Ronaldo 04-06-2012 07:53 AM


Originally Posted by Flamer (Post 1164701)
That's an amazing statistic. How many active pilots do you have? And regarding your mil leave, you need to call the ESGR. Phone number is on the website. USSERA law is the law. They will help you crush the nuts of anyone that thinks they are above it. That's in spite of the fact that what was done to you is just downright unamerican.


We have about 2000 native RAHers and about 700 Lynx and F9ers on the list. For 2724 total. Most of the people leaving are legacy RAH and Midwest pilots refusing recall.

I was able to get the "Unavailable" changed but that type of mentality is prevalent here. I flew with someone last week that had a life threatening family medical emergency, and the company wouldn't release her from the last 3 hours of out-of-base reserve, on her last day. She acted appropriately, and told them to stuff the out-of-base reserve, and went home.

To be honest, I think we have a Chief Pilot that tries to use common sense and help pilots out, but he is outnumbered by goons at about 15:1.


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