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jungle 06-14-2012 08:36 PM


Originally Posted by SkyHigh (Post 1212110)
Cubdriver,


To me that is humiliating because as an airline pilot I only took home $ 492 every two weeks and was gone from base over 400 hours a month.

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Can't blame you there, I would have quit too, hard to believe you went so cheap.:D

jungle 06-14-2012 08:47 PM


Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 1212329)
I don't know with these knew fangled automated lawn mowers it could be possible. They've got drive gears and automatic grass height settings on these machines now days. The operator is nothing more than an automaton just walking behind or in some cases riding on the mower. It's always the same just cutting green grass one pass after another. Guys are only in the lawn care business for the money as the glory days of the old push rotary mowers is gone. That was back when a lawn boy was a respected and revered member of society!

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I knew automation was dangerous and degrading, next thing you know they will be hoeing your mulch and surfing the web on their Iphone at the same time.

Gosh darn it, life is right problematical at times.

tomgoodman 06-14-2012 09:01 PM

Lawn mowers driven by sociopaths! Run!! :eek:

TonyC 06-15-2012 12:30 AM


Originally Posted by SkyHigh (Post 1211798)

I would like to point out again that I merely passed along quotes from Bill Voss, the president and CEO of the Flight Safety Foundation. There are not my ideas but the Director of Flight Safety's words.

Of course flight safety is a globally recognized leader on these matters.

Skyhigh


Amazing. Just like the other thread.

I'll just recycle some posts from the "The Ugly Truth" thread:


Originally Posted by SkyHigh (Post 1175455)

For starters these are not my statements they belong to the CEO of Flight Safety. Presumably a world leader in aviation trends.




Originally Posted by TonyC (Post 1175471)

Reading comprehension, SkyHigh. C O M P R E H E N S I O N

I don't care if the words came from God on high, if you don't understand them, they won't do you a bit of good. You took a message and tried to fit it into your view of the world, and it doesn't fit. You would know that if you could read and understand.



Originally Posted by GauleyPilot (Post 1176126)

Flight Safety Foundation, Not Flight Safety International the training people.

About the Foundation | Flight Safety Foundation




You stopped posting in that thread, and you're ignoring me in this thread ... I think I see how this is going.



By the way ... if you bid on my lawn business and claim you can complete the job in 15 minutes, you'll get a resounding, "NO".






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Red Forman 06-15-2012 03:32 AM


Originally Posted by TonyC (Post 1212402)
You stopped posting in that thread, and you're ignoring me in this thread ... I think I see how this is going.



By the way ... if you bid on my lawn business and claim you can complete the job in 15 minutes, you'll get a resounding, "NO".






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You will also get a resounding no if you want $40 unless it's a huge yard.

SkyHigh 06-15-2012 06:37 AM

Diverse backgrounds
 
Sully mentioned to congress that the lifelong aviator was going away. People who were genuinely interested in aviation. They types who come from diverse backgrounds that were developed over a decade or two prior to reaching the airlines.

In their place we have manufactured company men by design. Somewhere around 1998 there must have been a regional airline executive conference someplace because it seems that from that point on the regionals began to actively select away from seasoned and experienced pilots from broad backgrounds and hire the 300 hour wonder instead.

I saw this at my own regional. They had guys in reception holding resumes with thousands of hours of experience and guys with as little as 290 hours sitting in class. It was a choice. The company believed that the zero time guys were better somehow and they were of course. Guys with experience do not have to stay. In fact they frequently left once the saw the depression pit that place was first hand.

New guys were different, they were challenged and happy, did not have many bills to pay for and could not leave even to flight instruct. The perfect company men. The legacy airlines do not like to hire those who come from diverse backgrounds either. They like guys who have been installed at a regional early on and who stayed in their little cubicle in the sky without causing trouble for years.

Guys with messy backgrounds like Sully was referring to often have things like helicopters and gliders in their logbooks. They may have held a range of jobs like missionary flying or crop dusting. Plenty of situations there to have scratched or bent something. Add to that the flippant nature of their employment history and to an HR representative you look like a flake. Pilots from diverse backgrounds are too confident, too arrogant.

The real reason though is that the airlines have learned that they do not need to pay for experience anymore. Just plug in a low time automaton straight from the university system and watch them take mountains of abuse with a smile on their face. Furthermore once conditioned at an early age they will continue to do so for a career. They do not know any better because they have not held other jobs before.

It works like a charm.

Skyhigh

SkyHigh 06-15-2012 06:44 AM

Watched the show anyone?
 
Has anyone even seen the news article? Can we get some kind of mature rebuttal out of you guys or do we have to degrade the conversation to that of discussing regional lawn mowing rates? I have the bills to prove my position.

Skyhigh

USMCFLYR 06-15-2012 07:38 AM

Sky - you are the one who brought up lawn mowing and any other numerous fringe jobs that you like to use to push your agenda. If you want more mature responses then engage in conversation and quit just reciting the same old tired diatribe over and over again. You've been asked direct questions which you have failed numerous times to answer. A little different outside of the your usual forum isn't it?

USMCFLYR

Airhoss 06-15-2012 07:43 AM


Guys with messy backgrounds like Sully was referring to often have things like helicopters and gliders in their logbooks. They may have held a range of jobs like missionary flying or crop dusting. Plenty of situations there to have scratched or bent something. Add to that the flippant nature of their employment history and to an HR representative you look like a flake. Pilots from diverse backgrounds are too confident, too arrogant.
The messy background you refer to describes me perfectly except for the arrogant part. I know quite a few folks at the big airlines with similar backgrounds. You see I work at a legacy airline therefore I actually have first hand knowledge. Unlike yourself who lives, breaths and regurgitates urban aviation legends.

You are the one who brought up lawn mowing my friend and as usual completely exaggerated it's upside to try and prove your point.

BTW

I asked you some direct questions are you afraid to answer them?

Lets try again.

Skyhigh that's you.

1. Have you ever worked for a major/legacy airline?

2. Have you ever had an interview with a major/legacy airline?

3. If the answer to either of the above is no then why do you pretend to know so much about the process of getting hired at one and how do you know what it's like to work for one?

4. What neighborhood did you grow up in that had as a resident at least one example of every type airline pilot from extremely successful to flat ashed broke of which at least one worked for every airline that ever existed depending on your need for your agenda of the day?

Riddle me that?

HercDriver130 06-15-2012 08:24 AM

Hoss......we might grow old waiting for those answers...hell any answers....I have asked him dozens of questions over the years with very very few ever answered.


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