Would you follow an unlawful order?
02-20-2013, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by UnderOveur
So, too, does hope and the highest ideals of humanity.
There is no Ying without the Yang. And there never will be.
In fact, it's Newton's third law...although that's a misnomer, as he is simply credited with "discovering" a fact that existed long before he ever did.
There is no Ying without the Yang. And there never will be.
In fact, it's Newton's third law...although that's a misnomer, as he is simply credited with "discovering" a fact that existed long before he ever did.
Perhaps this is something most of us have yet to learn.
02-20-2013, 11:20 AM
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"most of us"....but not you, eh? LOL
Ridiculous.
Imagine what the world would look like today had Hitler "won" WWII. Last time I checked, America and the allies never ran "concentration camps" (excluding Russia, naturally). And that's just one simple example that cannot be argued with anything resembling credibility.
No, the best we can hope for is FAR GREATER than you will or would acknowledge. Like, for example, representative gov't and equality under the law, most especially where none had existed beforehand.
It's simple. You are 100% invested in YOUR perspective, and believe it to be both more "enlightened" and "intelligent" than anyone else's. You LIVE to think you are more broad-minded and educated than anyone else.
Like I said...
Hi sis!
Originally Posted by jungle
there are no winners-the best you can hope for is that you lose less than the opponent.
Imagine what the world would look like today had Hitler "won" WWII. Last time I checked, America and the allies never ran "concentration camps" (excluding Russia, naturally). And that's just one simple example that cannot be argued with anything resembling credibility.
No, the best we can hope for is FAR GREATER than you will or would acknowledge. Like, for example, representative gov't and equality under the law, most especially where none had existed beforehand.
It's simple. You are 100% invested in YOUR perspective, and believe it to be both more "enlightened" and "intelligent" than anyone else's. You LIVE to think you are more broad-minded and educated than anyone else.
Like I said...
Hi sis!
02-20-2013, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by UnderOveur
"most of us"....but not you, eh? LOL
Ridiculous.
Imagine what the world would look like today had Hitler "won" WWII. Last time I checked, America and the allies never ran "concentration camps" (excluding Russia, naturally). And that's just one simple example that cannot be argued with anything resembling credibility.
No, the best we can hope for is FAR GREATER than you will or would acknowledge. Like, for example, representative gov't and equality under the law, most especially where none had existed beforehand.
It's simple. You are 100% invested in YOUR perspective, and believe it to be both more "enlightened" and "intelligent" than anyone else's. You LIVE to think you are more broad-minded and educated than anyone else.
Like I said...
Hi sis!
Ridiculous.
Imagine what the world would look like today had Hitler "won" WWII. Last time I checked, America and the allies never ran "concentration camps" (excluding Russia, naturally). And that's just one simple example that cannot be argued with anything resembling credibility.
No, the best we can hope for is FAR GREATER than you will or would acknowledge. Like, for example, representative gov't and equality under the law, most especially where none had existed beforehand.
It's simple. You are 100% invested in YOUR perspective, and believe it to be both more "enlightened" and "intelligent" than anyone else's. You LIVE to think you are more broad-minded and educated than anyone else.
Like I said...
Hi sis!
All stories have at least two sides and the victors get to write the history.
It is always naive to let your ego do your talking, far better to admit that very little is certain and there aren't really any good guys coming to your rescue.
So stay in the cheerleading section if it makes you feel better, just don't be surprised when you are cheering one game while losing the one going on behind you. Cheerleaders have their job to do too for both teams.
Last edited by jungle; 02-20-2013 at 11:53 AM.
02-20-2013, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by jungle
It is always naive to let your ego do your talking
Originally Posted by jungle
And of course you are 100% invested in your perspective, believing it to be the only correct version of history.
I've offered tangible things....hope to your suffering....representative gov't to your unstated other evils...
All you've offered is a bunch of intellectual vapor.
Where a guy like you really gets confused is when he is asked, "If mankind did not experience war and suffering, would there be progress in things such as the reality of an increasing, global recognition of the value of the individual human life?"
But you keep on believing you are the only one to wrestle with such thoughts while us cheerleaders keep on cheering.
LOL
02-20-2013, 12:41 PM
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Back to the original question of following unlawful orders - read up on the Nuremberg Tribunals as a modern example.
02-20-2013, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by UnderOveur
Why do you do it, then? Just curious.
Re: the outcome of the example of WWII, it's very hard not to believe it to be correct. It's also noted that you haven't offered an alternative viewpoint that is even remotely credible. Just a lot of posturing BS, really.
I've offered tangible things....hope to your suffering....representative gov't to your unstated other evils...
All you've offered is a bunch of intellectual vapor.
Where a guy like you really gets confused is when he is asked, "If mankind did not experience war and suffering, would there be progress in things such as the reality of an increasing, global recognition of the value of the individual human life?"
But you keep on believing you are the only one to wrestle with such thoughts while us cheerleaders keep on cheering.
LOL
Re: the outcome of the example of WWII, it's very hard not to believe it to be correct. It's also noted that you haven't offered an alternative viewpoint that is even remotely credible. Just a lot of posturing BS, really.
I've offered tangible things....hope to your suffering....representative gov't to your unstated other evils...
All you've offered is a bunch of intellectual vapor.
Where a guy like you really gets confused is when he is asked, "If mankind did not experience war and suffering, would there be progress in things such as the reality of an increasing, global recognition of the value of the individual human life?"
But you keep on believing you are the only one to wrestle with such thoughts while us cheerleaders keep on cheering.
LOL
Originally Posted by chignutsak
Back to the original question of following unlawful orders - read up on the Nuremberg Tribunals as a modern example.
02-20-2013, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by jungle
why don't you tell us which monster was best-our ally Stalin or our enemy Hitler.
02-20-2013, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by UnderOveur
No thanks. I'll wait for you to answer some of the questions already posed to you which you are studiously ignoring. If you don't want to defend your pseudo-intellectual blather and posturing I won't blame you one bit. I'll just note it, same as everyone else.
It does kind of destroy your fantasy when we spent all those years propping up one dictator instead of another doesn't it?
02-20-2013, 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by jungle
It does kind of destroy your fantasy when we spent all those years propping up one dictator instead of another doesn't it?
02-20-2013, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by UnderOveur
Wrong again. That is YOUR fantasy. Feel free to explain how the USA "propped up" Stalin as opposed to simply used one monster to help rid the world of another.
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