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Old 07-26-2014 | 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Stu Jamison
The controller was just looking out for him. After all there could have been an inbound -67 about to land on his taxiway. That's all.
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Old 07-26-2014 | 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Stu Jamison
Well for starters your company dumped their pensions on the PBGC. My buddy who retired in 1997 with just under 35 years of service took a major hit on his pension. How's that for starters?
I don't believe you. If he retired in 1997, I'd like to know how he took a major hit on his pension. Feel free to post his numbers.
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Old 07-26-2014 | 09:16 AM
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Stu,

This pilot was out of line and will be handled by pro-stan or the chief pilots office. That being said, you seem to have a overly sensitive side to all things Del-duh. Who do you work for again?
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Old 07-26-2014 | 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Stu Jamison
Well for starters your company dumped their pensions on the PBGC. My buddy who retired in 1997 with just under 35 years of service took a major hit on his pension. How's that for starters?
You should do a little research. For starters they dumped one pension on the PBGC. There was no plural. All other pension were kept. The one pension dumped on the PBGC was the pilot plan. The PBGC received a substantial stock grant in the reorganized Delta in the assumption of that plan. It turned out the PBGC basically made money on the deal and in fact had to pay pensions well above their normal max to Delta pilots because of that recovery. In addition you seem to have no idea that the PBGC is essentially a private insurance company not funded by the tax payers. It is funded by insurance premiums.
As far as your buddy who retired in 97 it's sad you consider him a friend when he is a flat out liar. He would have been 67 to 68 when the plan was terminated. They took at best a 200 to 300 dollar a month hit and if he was 68 probably nothing. They also received compensation in a claim sale.
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Old 07-26-2014 | 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
You should do a little research. For starters they dumped one pension on the PBGC. There was no plural. All other pension were kept. The one pension dumped on the PBGC was the pilot plan. The PBGC received a substantial stock grant in the reorganized Delta in the assumption of that plan. It turned out the PBGC basically made money on the deal and in fact had to pay pensions well above their normal max to Delta pilots because of that recovery. In addition you seem to have no idea that the PBGC is essentially a private insurance company not funded by the tax payers. It is funded by insurance premiums.
As far as your buddy who retired in 97 it's sad you consider him a friend when he is a flat out liar. He would have been 67 to 68 when the plan was terminated. They took at best a 200 to 300 dollar a month hit and if he was 68 probably nothing. They also received compensation in a claim sale.
OK, I don't have a dog in this fight, but your opinion appears to vary from the formal account given by the PBGC. As you suggested, I did a little research.

Originally Posted by PBGC in denying the PC3 group's claims

When the Pilots Plan terminated, its total underfunding - i.e., the difference between the ' values of its assets and its benefit liabilities - exceeded $2.5 billion.

PBGC's guarantee under ERISA ensures that pension plan participants and beneficiaries will receive their pension benefits up to the statutory limits even if their terminated plan has no assets. Because the Pilots Plan had some assets when it terminated and because PBGC obtained significant recoveries from Delta, ERISA authorizes PBGC to pay additional nonguaranteed benefits to Pilots Plan participants and beneficiaries.

Overall, PBGC is paying over $1.8 billion of the Pilots Plan's nonguaranteed benefits, in addition to over $1.6 billion in guaranteed benefits. Nevertheless, PBGC is unable to pay nearly $1.1 billion of the Plan's benefits.

PBGC is unable to pay all Pilots Plan benefits primarily because ERISA places a cap, • known as the Maximum Guaranteed Benefit ("MGB") limit, upon the amounts that PBGC guarantees. For the Pilots Plan, the MGB is $47,659 per year for a participant who begins receiving PBGC benefits at age 65 in the form of a straight life annuity ("SLA"). Because the large majority of appellants have Plan benefits that exceed the MGB, PBGC is often unable to guarantee their full Plan benefit amounts.
You know more than I. But that's what the PBGC reported.
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Old 07-26-2014 | 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
As far as your buddy who retired in 97 it's sad you consider him a friend when he is a flat out liar. He would have been 67 to 68 when the plan was terminated. They took at best a 200 to 300 dollar a month hit and if he was 68 probably nothing.
Are you sure about that? I thought that everyone lost 100% of his unqualified benefits, which for those who took the lump sum would have been most of the remaining monthly benefit.
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Old 07-26-2014 | 10:01 AM
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this guy needs to be called out for this..maybe he needs some help. ya'll remember that jetblue pilot that went nuts a few years back?
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Old 07-26-2014 | 10:23 AM
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Old 07-26-2014 | 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by MrBojangles
this guy needs to be called out for this..maybe he needs some help. ya'll remember that jetblue pilot that went nuts a few years back?
Anone who has been on a Douglas product is nuts like Buzz Aldrin is nuts. After all, he took one of their products to the Moon and back; then punched someone in the nose.*

The rest of us look at those intrepid MD88 pilots returning from a mission with awe and fear. You know, you see the respect when you hear one of them print off a rotation (all those legs) and the rest of the lounge stops for a moment in guarded silence, lets him get his trip off the printer (no weather mind you, because they don't stop for nothin) and after a moment's respect, the rest of the pilots resume their talk Munich layovers and the women of Prague.

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* In typical Mickey Douglas fashion it fell apart half way there, but Buzz was able to use a Bic pen to close the circuit to fire the lunar ascent rocket ... true story.

Mickey Douglas + Apollo = Dead Astronaughts
Mickey Douglas + Duct Tape + Chewing Gum + Improvised Circuit Breakers made of Bic Pens = Success and an Academy Award for Tom Hanks.
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Old 07-26-2014 | 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by NERD
Stu,

This pilot was out of line and will be handled by pro-stan or the chief pilots office. That being said, you seem to have a overly sensitive side to all things Del-duh. Who do you work for again?
Stu - you are one angry man. Why the hate for Delta? Seriously - we all end up at (fill-in-the-blank-airlines) for the most part by pure chance. If I didn't hang my shingle here, I'd have found something else that would've probably worked. Really, I don't give a flying fornication where you work, but maybe you could tone it down a bit...there's the 1% outliers at every airline.
I'm not going to insinuate you're a douche, or even a tool, but you're quickly approaching that status.

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