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Originally Posted by FaceBiter (Post 1856381)

Tl;dr.....

Ditto Tl;dr

Sexual harassment Panda

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OQnNH7I07RY

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Originally Posted by disillusioned (Post 1856424)

C'mon FaceBiter. You know we are hiring anyone with a pulse right now. The fact that she wasn't hired makes me think it may be true.

I know someone who failed out of training, applied again and failed the sim, and now has SW calling him once a month to see if he wants to back. I don't buy the fact that she is making up the story just because she didn't get the job.

No, he doesn't know. According to him Skywest is the West Point of the regionals, with very high standards for its applicants even to include the infamous sim eval in the almighty Frasca. Trust me, we heard all about it over in the Mesa thread.

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Originally Posted by SayAlt (Post 1856399)

My position is that this isn't a crime unless the recording is used to commit a crime, such as blackmail for example. It certainly isn't a crime when used to protect oneself from predators.

Your position can be whatever you want it to be, but that's not THE LAW. The fact is, this IS a crime, no matter what you think it should or shouldn't be.

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Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 1856386)

If you're going to record people, better know the law. Also it varies by state and possibly municipality...if you're recording somebody over a four-day trip, you almost certainly committed a crime somewhere.

True. In the state I live in, only one party has to consent for the recording to be legal. The other party has no knowledge they are being recorded.

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Originally Posted by tinman1 (Post 1856434)

Bro. I own you so hard it crosses forum and state lines. From the mountains to the prairies. The only hope you have is one day I'll pwn the crap out of you in a state that prosecutes for cyber bullying because the interweb smack down I've been laying down on you for the better part of a year is so epic is belongs on CNN.

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Originally Posted by SayAlt (Post 1856399)

So don't turn it in. Just turn it on when one needs to convince someone else that one has been attacked. As a percentage of incidents, HR matters rarely go to court or involve the police.

And hope they don't call the cops. If you do this to a sexual harasser/predator, why do you think he wouldn't call the cops. If nothing else it would muddy the waters if the accuser acted illegally.

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Originally Posted by SayAlt (Post 1856399)

My position is that this isn't a crime unless the recording is used to commit a crime, such as blackmail for example.

Your position is totally irrelevant. State law is relevant.

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Originally Posted by SayAlt (Post 1856399)

It certainly isn't a crime when used to protect oneself from predators.

The laws I've seen don't allow exceptions for good intentions. The only exception is you're a cop and you got a warrant first.

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Originally Posted by SayAlt (Post 1856399)

Rick - please don't take my response here as a refutation of yours. These are just my personal opinions and could be very wrong.

I'm just trying to keep people out of trouble. If you use an illegal recording against someone, it's highly likely they will complain to the appropriate jurisdiction.

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Originally Posted by SayAlt (Post 1856399)

I'd like to see the laws re-worded to allow the use of PED's for the purposes we're discussing here.

I'd like to see reworded for a lot of things...like using the calculator on my freakin' phone.

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Originally Posted by SayAlt (Post 1856399)

Btw, one can always claim one was in the process of making a simple voice memo to remind themselves of "xyz" and just happened to catch the assault on tape.

Probably wouldn't hold up in court.

Ultimately if you do this are going to jail? Probably not. Will you even get convicted under these circumstances? Maybe not. But you could put yourself through the wringer...you're handing the accused harasser a weapon against YOU.

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Originally Posted by N9373M (Post 1856449)

True. In the state I live in, only one party has to consent for the recording to be legal. The other party has no knowledge they are being recorded.

Some states only require one party. Others require all parties. better know which you're in when you make the recording.

Now, all that said...if it happens when the CVR is running you could walk off the flight, call the company immediately, file the complaint and ask for the CVR to be pulled.

The CVR is always a legal recording, and the company can do anything they want with it.

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Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 1856469)

The CVR is always a legal recording, and the company can do anything they want with it.

Which, IIRC, is a VERY expensive ordeal to do. Pulling the CVR for a review of conversation I mean.

At a former employer, when training was conducted in the plane, a guy had a bad experience and wanted the CVR pulled over what the examiner said. The cost of doing such pressed into the 5 figures I believe.

And I KNOW, that can be a A LOT cheaper than a lawsuit. But make no mistake, a corporation is going to give it a full court press to stop it in tracks/nip it in bid if they can to save money.