Global Airports to Mimic Israeli Model
03-24-2016, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by tomgoodman
Sure, those causes of death are more likely than a terrorist or criminal, but since they aren't malicious, they aren't as insulting. That's why people get so worked up about these incidents, and it's quite rational. 
But some ISIS people commit attacks in Europe, and we are willing to suspend the US constitution for those who look brown and/or are Muslim.
Sound about right?
03-24-2016, 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
No kidding.
Daily chart: Danger of death! | The Economist
I'm more worried about food poisoning, heart disease and car accidents. But then again, I understand statistics.
It's the economic impact of a terrorist attack, and the public's irrational reaction that worries me.
Daily chart: Danger of death! | The Economist
I'm more worried about food poisoning, heart disease and car accidents. But then again, I understand statistics.
It's the economic impact of a terrorist attack, and the public's irrational reaction that worries me.
03-24-2016, 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Ahh. I see. So we had 9/11, Bostom bombers killing 3 people, and the San Bernardino shooters.
Now with Paris and Brussels attacks, we are saying go full-out on anyone who is, or looks, Muslim in order to stop a terrorist attack.
Gotta like how terror attack is the thing we American citizens are scared of. Have you not seen how statistically, we are far more likely to be killed by a crazy/mental sick white Anglosaxan individual in a gun rampage than we are a radical Islamic terrorist on US soil?
But I don't hear any bans for guns or checks for mental health in order to get a gun. I do, however, hear bans on Muslims due to the fear of ISIS and terrorist attacks.
Because, facts. Or Trump. Or something.
Now with Paris and Brussels attacks, we are saying go full-out on anyone who is, or looks, Muslim in order to stop a terrorist attack.
Gotta like how terror attack is the thing we American citizens are scared of. Have you not seen how statistically, we are far more likely to be killed by a crazy/mental sick white Anglosaxan individual in a gun rampage than we are a radical Islamic terrorist on US soil?
But I don't hear any bans for guns or checks for mental health in order to get a gun. I do, however, hear bans on Muslims due to the fear of ISIS and terrorist attacks.
Because, facts. Or Trump. Or something.
Eventually we're all going to have to start calling a spade a spade. The threats posed to air travel aren't coming from grandma, but they have all had a common denominator.
03-24-2016, 04:20 PM
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03-24-2016, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes
03-24-2016, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by my6FOh
You forgot the shoe and underwear bombers as well.
Eventually we're all going to have to start calling a spade a spade. The threats posed to air travel aren't coming from grandma, but they have all had a common denominator.
Eventually we're all going to have to start calling a spade a spade. The threats posed to air travel aren't coming from grandma, but they have all had a common denominator.
So what is the spade? Brown people? Muslims? How do you find out if one is a Muslim? Just ask them? What about the white-looking Muslims, how would you know they were Muslim? And about all the non-Muslims being recruited by ISIS online that are either coming to Iraq/Syria to fight or carrying out plans/attacks in their own nation?
03-24-2016, 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Ahh. I see. So we had 9/11, Bostom bombers killing 3 people, and the San Bernardino shooters.
Now with Paris and Brussels attacks, we are saying go full-out on anyone who is, or looks, Muslim in order to stop a terrorist attack.
Gotta like how terror attack is the thing we American citizens are scared of. Have you not seen how statistically, we are far more likely to be killed by a crazy/mental sick white Anglosaxan individual in a gun rampage than we are a radical Islamic terrorist on US soil?
But I don't hear any bans for guns or checks for mental health in order to get a gun. I do, however, hear bans on Muslims due to the fear of ISIS and terrorist attacks.
Because, facts. Or Trump. Or something.
Now with Paris and Brussels attacks, we are saying go full-out on anyone who is, or looks, Muslim in order to stop a terrorist attack.
Gotta like how terror attack is the thing we American citizens are scared of. Have you not seen how statistically, we are far more likely to be killed by a crazy/mental sick white Anglosaxan individual in a gun rampage than we are a radical Islamic terrorist on US soil?
But I don't hear any bans for guns or checks for mental health in order to get a gun. I do, however, hear bans on Muslims due to the fear of ISIS and terrorist attacks.
Because, facts. Or Trump. Or something.
I gotta admit, Guy, that is the dumbest bit of hyperbolic spew I've read in a while. You've obviously been practicing.
03-24-2016, 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Shoe and underwear bomber? How many dead there?
So what is the spade?
So what is the spade?
It's more about knowing what, when and to whom to ask appropriate vetting questions, such as used in the part by El Al's security protocols. El Al Officers are highly trained vs. our "7/11 grade" Blue Suit screeners.
El Al hasn't had an in-flight take over incident since 1968.
The FAMS are a good concept and step in the right direction, but lack support and funding.
The problem also lies with lack of high quality, trained LAW ENFORCEMENT Screening Officers, (currently TSA Screeners can't make a single arrest, yet 400 Screeners have been arrested for mostly on-duty crimes and/or security related laspes).
But El Al's highly trained security system and protocol HAVE PREVENTED numerous incidents since 1968 SOME PREVENTATIVE INTERDICTIONS HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL SOLELY BY ASKING THE RIGHT QUESTION(S) AT THE RIGHT TIME. They continiue to find the "Spade."
The U.S. has several capable law enforcement units, that could fully secure both passenger and cargo hubs. Some were deployed and secured numerous aviation hubs on 09/11.
But then the talking heads wanted to build a new fiefdom, the TSA.
They'll never admit failure until the Agency is in such disarray, with multiple failures, Congress has to disband it, (as Congress disbanded the INS in 2002).
Here's an article from 2003. You'd think we'd get it right by now, using El Al's protocols as an base/example, as well as revamping the FAMS.
El Al's Security Vs. the U.S. Approach - Bloomberg Business
From the article of 2003......U.S. airports are certainly more secure. But security experts warn they're not yet secure enough to prevent another attack. The reason: The U.S. Transportation Security Administration (TSA) has focused on reactive countermeasures, rather than strategic deterrence and risk management......
In Israel, almost nothing slips through, Yeffet claims. And if it does, screeners are fired on the spot. The TSA wouldn't comment on its hiring-and-firing policies. But Yeffet says TSA figures revealed that in 2002, U.S. screeners failed to identify 70% of knives and 60% of false explosives put on the X-Ray belt by testers. "Routine is the enemy of good security," says Yeffet. "The day you think nothing will happen, something will."
In Israel, almost nothing slips through, Yeffet claims. And if it does, screeners are fired on the spot. The TSA wouldn't comment on its hiring-and-firing policies. But Yeffet says TSA figures revealed that in 2002, U.S. screeners failed to identify 70% of knives and 60% of false explosives put on the X-Ray belt by testers. "Routine is the enemy of good security," says Yeffet. "The day you think nothing will happen, something will."
and 13 years later.... From a report in June of 2015...TSA Fails 95 Percent Of Airport Security Tests Conducted By Homeland Security: Report
In one test an undercover agent was stopped after setting off an alarm at a magnetometer, but TSA screeners failed to detect a fake explosive device that was taped to his back during a follow-on pat down.
Officials would not divulge the exact time period of the testing other than to say it concluded recently.....
In one test an undercover agent was stopped after setting off an alarm at a magnetometer, but TSA screeners failed to detect a fake explosive device that was taped to his back during a follow-on pat down.
Officials would not divulge the exact time period of the testing other than to say it concluded recently.....
03-24-2016, 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Shoe and underwear bomber? How many dead there?
So what is the spade? Brown people? Muslims? How do you find out if one is a Muslim? Just ask them? What about the white-looking Muslims, how would you know they were Muslim? And about all the non-Muslims being recruited by ISIS online that are either coming to Iraq/Syria to fight or carrying out plans/attacks in their own nation?
So what is the spade? Brown people? Muslims? How do you find out if one is a Muslim? Just ask them? What about the white-looking Muslims, how would you know they were Muslim? And about all the non-Muslims being recruited by ISIS online that are either coming to Iraq/Syria to fight or carrying out plans/attacks in their own nation?
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