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esa17 03-30-2016 07:57 AM


Originally Posted by Flytolive (Post 2099506)
Please tell us all about these '12 aces' labor enjoys. I need a good laugh this morning.

First off, BFS that the unions play fair and follow the rules. It's not possible say that and not choke on your tongue. How many stories have we read about taxiing and flying with the APUs on, lower altitude flights, or physical union intimidation.

Ok, here is the scenario.

Let's say you started working at a steel company as a 19 year old and by 55 you find yourself the President of a division.

You're at supper one night and a random person walks up to you and hands you a stack of cards with names on them and asks you if you know those people. Keep in mind all he has is a stack of cards with names on them, no evidence of a vote or anything. Just a roster. If you say "yeah, I know those people" then instantly you've "agreed" thanks to the various labor acts that your shop is now unionized even if the majority of the employees voted "no" on the union. Who needs democracy and fair elections right?

In the next scenario you're at a MBMA conference and you're having another dinner with a buddy who you used to work for but now he's at another company. You relive the good ole days but as inevitably happens your conversations move to the present. His company fought off union organization twice in the last five years, yours is in the middle of an election which you appear to be winning but only by a small margin.

During the course of the conversation you ask your buddy how he's been able to be so successful and he gives you a few tips and effective strategies, all above board and not the least bit shady. The guy at the other table is a member of the union at a different plant and over hears this conversation, pulls out his phone and records it. He turns that over to his union thug buddies who then turn it over to the FBI. You and your buddy and both arrested and prosecuted under the RICO statues, go to prison, lose your jobs and your families.

Meanwhile after you get up from dinner the unionized employee meet one of his fellow "brothers" from a different company and they discuss successful ways to defeat management while sitting with a FBI agent filming a reality TV show.

The discovery channel pays for the meal and drinks and they all go home.

In the United States the Unions hold almost all the cards and can petition the government to cut the purse strings. Management is at a distinct advantage when dealing with Unionized Labor for a few reasons. One, the laws are very much one sided. Two the labor force is too quick to buy the outright lies of the union which because of a perceived injustice. Lets not even get into close vs. open shop, merit based pay, terminations for cause or "right to work."

There is no way you can look at regional airline payscales objectively and think anything other than the Union Bosses are out for themselves.

Bigwing 03-30-2016 08:57 AM

Union Busting
 

Originally Posted by esa17 (Post 2099659)
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In the United States the Unions hold almost all the cards and can petition the government to cut the purse strings......One, the laws are very much one sided.



So this explains why allegiant was allowed to strike...oh wait, they weren't.

Flytolive 03-30-2016 09:40 AM


Originally Posted by esa17 (Post 2099659)
Management is at a distinct advantage when dealing with Unionized Labor for a few reasons. One, the laws are very much one sided. Two the labor force is too quick to buy the outright lies of the union which because of a perceived injustice. Lets not even get into close vs. open shop, merit based pay, terminations for cause or "right to work."

Your assertions are completely erroneous and the results demonstrate it. Senior management pay has skyrocketed in the last 35 years as opposed to worker pay and union membership has plummeted. If anything you contend was true that would not be the case.

http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/20...Y_GRAPHIC.html

JohnBurke 03-30-2016 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by esa17 (Post 2099659)
Ok, here is the scenario.

Let's say you started working at a steel company as a 19 year old and by 55 you find yourself the President of a division.

You're at supper one night and a random person walks up to you and hands you a stack of cards with names on them and asks you if you know those people. Keep in mind all he has is a stack of cards with names on them, no evidence of a vote or anything. Just a roster. If you say "yeah, I know those people" then instantly you've "agreed" thanks to the various labor acts that your shop is now unionized even if the majority of the employees voted "no" on the union. Who needs democracy and fair elections right?

If your'e going to tell the story, then tell the whole story. What you've put forth is a lie, and you know it.

You're positing a story about a union vote which has taken place, and confirmation is sought that the names of those who have voted are indeed employees of the union.

Simply confirming a list of names, in and of itself, does NOT institute a union, approve a union, or bring a union on the property.

If employees have properly sought to join a union and voted to do so then confirmation is coming one way or another, whether it's over dinner or by formal application, and the employer does not have the ability to refuse. You make it sound otherwise, as though someone might innocently be tricked into allowing a union on the property, which is absolute garbage.

No, a random person cannot walk up to senior management and trick them into bringing a union onto the property over dinner.

Your effort is deceitful and incorrect. If you can't tell the truth, refrain from telling in the first place.

I won't bother dignifying your second scenario, which is a blatant lie.


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