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Gobows 01-29-2024 03:16 AM


Originally Posted by Hawaii808 (Post 3760280)
FO’s do have a no fly list. I’m sure once he upgrades the reserve guys will have so much fun hearing about how one of our negotiators was getting paid 90 hours a month while negotiating a pretty heavy rewrite of our contract instead of getting 37.5 hrs on VEBA and sitting at home doing nothing. Hopefully it’s when he’s LA based on the 737 flying mostly with Alaska OGs

So he was right about it?

vaxedtothemax 01-29-2024 04:57 AM


Originally Posted by Hawaii808 (Post 3760280)
FO’s do have a no fly list. I’m sure once he upgrades the reserve guys will have so much fun hearing about how one of our negotiators was getting paid 90 hours a month while negotiating a pretty heavy rewrite of our contract instead of getting 37.5 hrs on VEBA and sitting at home doing nothing. Hopefully it’s when he’s LA based on the 737 flying mostly with Alaska OGs

As long as the rest of us get the same option... VEBA or be assigned to a committee at 90hrs/mnth. He could have done his committee job at 37.5/month.

vaxedtothemax 01-29-2024 05:01 AM


Originally Posted by Gobows (Post 3760318)
So he was right about it?

What I see is some one who is being factually correct, and others who don't like the fact that he is correct but being vocal about it. Gee, when else did that happen over the last 3 years? I'll have to think about that one. Unfortunately, the common fact about HI in general is "don't go against the collective group. Embrace the groupthink and socialist tendencies."

nene 01-29-2024 06:59 AM


Originally Posted by Gobows (Post 3760318)
So he was right about it?

It is amazing on here that no one yet has come online and refuted any of his claims, they just attack the person who brings it to light. What do they say, sunlinght if the best disinfectant.

Hawaii808 01-29-2024 07:20 AM


Originally Posted by Gobows (Post 3760318)
So he was right about it?

I have no idea if is right or not. I would think though that there would be an issue with being out on VEBA and doing committee work. I would bet you can’t do any work while on VEBA, but I really don’t know. Getting paid 90 hrs doesn’t seem unreasonable to me for a negotiator during that time period either.

ridinhigh 01-29-2024 08:56 AM


Originally Posted by Hawaii808 (Post 3760419)
I have no idea if is right or not. I would think though that there would be an issue with being out on VEBA and doing committee work. I would bet you can’t do any work while on VEBA, but I really don’t know. Getting paid 90 hrs doesn’t seem unreasonable to me for a negotiator during that time period either.

I would hope it would be more than 90 hours for the guy literally writing our future.

WindWalker999 01-29-2024 11:23 PM


Originally Posted by Hawaii808 (Post 3760419)
I have no idea if is right or not. I would think though that there would be an issue with being out on VEBA and doing committee work. I would bet you can’t do any work while on VEBA, but I really don’t know. Getting paid 90 hrs doesn’t seem unreasonable to me for a negotiator during that time period either.

Would have to get someone with more intimate knowledge to confirm this, but a quick glance at Appendix E of the contract (which is the VEBA plan) shows that "active service" is inclusive of "...a leave of absence from the Employer to perform Association business". Which does not require a medical certificate.

So being "disabled" and getting paid thru VEBA, and doing ALPA work and therefore being in "active service", would appear to be mutually exclusive. If that is the correct interpretation then the negotiator would not have been able to negotiate while on VEBA. Anyone else who has actually read the appropriate sections of contract have a contrary interpretation? I am most definitely not an expert in that area, but that is what it seems to say on the paper.

If so, and if the MEC and negotiating comittee felt that the negotiator in question was indispensible to the ongoing process at the time, then keeping him on active status for that period was acceptable as far as I can tell.

fostro 01-30-2024 10:00 AM


Originally Posted by Chris99 (Post 3760212)
The language you are using is very immature and reminiscent of something I experienced at NetJets circa 2015 (a management tool claiming to be a pilot on Twitter): https://kr.law/news/article-detail/f...amaging-pilots. If you are a management stooge, I would caution you that it did not end up well for the management guy at NetJets who was impersonating a unionized pilot...

Well Chris, 717 Captain, that would most likely mean you are junior to me, if that is the case you better start changing your tune because you will be in SFO as an FO very soon. Immature, you mean pointing out facts, why don't you do some real investigations like reviewing all the facts I pointed out? Please bring the legal game, that would expose EVERYTHING, nothing to hide here!

Ignorance is Toxic, SFO FO, in Unity...

fostro 01-30-2024 10:04 AM


Originally Posted by Hawaii808 (Post 3760226)
don’t worry he’s just a pilot that thinks the echo chamber of the 5 captains he flys with equates to the opinions of the entire pilot group.

Hmmm, 65% Ratification? Let's see the last PYRAMID SURVEY, why do you think it's never been released? Maybe your on the gravy train?

65% Echo, Waiting for Survey Results, in Unity...

fostro 01-30-2024 10:12 AM


Originally Posted by Hawaii808 (Post 3760280)
FO’s do have a no fly list. I’m sure once he upgrades the reserve guys will have so much fun hearing about how one of our negotiators was getting paid 90 hours a month while negotiating a pretty heavy rewrite of our contract instead of getting 37.5 hrs on VEBA and sitting at home doing nothing. Hopefully it’s when he’s LA based on the 737 flying mostly with Alaska OGs

LOL, sorry friend but I'm guessing you're not in the top 10% at HA, see you in LAX, the only difference is I will be an FO on the 787 with a year upgrade, and you will be an FO on a 737 with a 7-year upgrade because you supported the Good Ole' Boys that $*&^ you on the SLI.

Home Sweet LAX, in Unity...


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