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Very interesting that our 6 pyramid leaders have issued several news updates in the spirit of transparency. I have not seen any data verifying that our "Selected" members are not abusing ALPA pay. Transparency cannot be restored until trust is restored by proving or disciplining those who have violated our trust.

Transparency is not about restoring trust in the MEC, transparency is the foundation of managing mistrust once trust is restored.

Led by the Pyramid, Not by Six, in Unity...

When is the recall vote?

Looks like another PARTY NIGHT coming soon!!! Hmmmm I wonder how many party nights the other airlines have? I agree, if I was Chair and I finally had to come to work, I would make it a party night. I bet our PARTY BUDGET is bigger than the merger budget! Let's see the party budget numbers, or is this group too busy playing music and polishing the brass? FYI the water on your feet is not a spilled drink, it's seawater.

Party, Party, Party, Wet Feet, in Unity...

Are you ok bruh? You aren’t having a stroke are you?

Seems like you cranked the crazy above 11…

Surrounded by seawater and sea breezes!

AS has done PUBs, typically associated with special circumstances (such as the last merger). I like them.

Lately it's been mostly coffee sits in airports, which in fairness is probably more accessible to more pilots.

The MEC better negotiate in the JCBA that Hawaiian Kona coffee types will be decided as the superior coffee and provided at these coffee sits.

Also- thank you for the mission statement email that also says the MEC talked to AS management about the future of the combined airline but then didn’t mention any of the details of that conversation in the MEC fast read email. Are those details coming later or should I send a dart for that.

All Pilots Call- Tuesday

In a previous life time, I sat in on a meeting like that. If their CEO went to the same school the other guy did, I bet he didn't actually say anything of substance.

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No thanks friend, while HA Pilots are getting drunk and told that they are in good hands, I will be getting lubed up for the SLI.

Drunk and Clueless, in Unity...

I had a STROKE while commuting and watched a HA PROMO video and saw one of our negotiating team members on the video. At my last company, when you were on the negotiating committee you were the enemy and you would never be allowed on a company promo video. Hmmmm the negotiators must have a great relationship with the company, That's a good thing, right?

Negotiators with Great Relationships with Company, in Unity...

I don't think our MEC would commute to HI and spend some time in the "PILOT LOUNGE" because that would mean talking to pilots. They rather commute in on positive space, while being on ALPA Pay, to a "PARTY PUB NIGHT", make a few lunch dates with the COO, then fly back and work remotely. HA Pilots don't worry they have your best interest in mind, just read all the updates.

Where's the Pilot Lounge, in Unity...

You mean "Send in your questions" We will filter and answer how we want, then move on with NO PILOT FOLLOW up. This is just like the company-controlled Town Hall Q&A, in fact, they operate just like the company except at least the company releases the NaLeo survey results, good and bad. Why haven't we seen the results of the last ALPA SURVEY, you know the one that every pilot complained about the MEC and the negotiating committee? Release the results of the survey!

Got Transparency, in Unity...

How long have you been at HA?

Long enough to realize that major corruption is occurring within HA MEC. HA Pilots, investigate for yourself and look at the Bid Awards as far back as 2021, you will see a negotiating member receiving ALPA pay for years while out on a surfing injury. HA Pilots, all of you would be on VEBA or begging for vacation donations, Good Ole Boys Club.

Recall the Good Ole Boys, in Unity...

The language you are using is very immature and reminiscent of something I experienced at NetJets circa 2015 (a management tool claiming to be a pilot on Twitter): https://kr.law/news/article-detail/f...amaging-pilots. If you are a management stooge, I would caution you that it did not end up well for the management guy at NetJets who was impersonating a unionized pilot...

don’t worry he’s just a pilot that thinks the echo chamber of the 5 captains he flys with equates to the opinions of the entire pilot group.

I bet those 5 captains are the same ones that drive most FOs to give up their seniority and take the upgrade so they don't have to deal with them ever again.

FO’s do have a no fly list. I’m sure once he upgrades the reserve guys will have so much fun hearing about how one of our negotiators was getting paid 90 hours a month while negotiating a pretty heavy rewrite of our contract instead of getting 37.5 hrs on VEBA and sitting at home doing nothing. Hopefully it’s when he’s LA based on the 737 flying mostly with Alaska OGs

So he was right about it?

As long as the rest of us get the same option... VEBA or be assigned to a committee at 90hrs/mnth. He could have done his committee job at 37.5/month.

What I see is some one who is being factually correct, and others who don't like the fact that he is correct but being vocal about it. Gee, when else did that happen over the last 3 years? I'll have to think about that one. Unfortunately, the common fact about HI in general is "don't go against the collective group. Embrace the groupthink and socialist tendencies."

It is amazing on here that no one yet has come online and refuted any of his claims, they just attack the person who brings it to light. What do they say, sunlinght if the best disinfectant.

I have no idea if is right or not. I would think though that there would be an issue with being out on VEBA and doing committee work. I would bet you can’t do any work while on VEBA, but I really don’t know. Getting paid 90 hrs doesn’t seem unreasonable to me for a negotiator during that time period either.

I would hope it would be more than 90 hours for the guy literally writing our future.

Would have to get someone with more intimate knowledge to confirm this, but a quick glance at Appendix E of the contract (which is the VEBA plan) shows that "active service" is inclusive of "...a leave of absence from the Employer to perform Association business". Which does not require a medical certificate.

So being "disabled" and getting paid thru VEBA, and doing ALPA work and therefore being in "active service", would appear to be mutually exclusive. If that is the correct interpretation then the negotiator would not have been able to negotiate while on VEBA. Anyone else who has actually read the appropriate sections of contract have a contrary interpretation? I am most definitely not an expert in that area, but that is what it seems to say on the paper.

If so, and if the MEC and negotiating comittee felt that the negotiator in question was indispensible to the ongoing process at the time, then keeping him on active status for that period was acceptable as far as I can tell.

Well Chris, 717 Captain, that would most likely mean you are junior to me, if that is the case you better start changing your tune because you will be in SFO as an FO very soon. Immature, you mean pointing out facts, why don't you do some real investigations like reviewing all the facts I pointed out? Please bring the legal game, that would expose EVERYTHING, nothing to hide here!

Ignorance is Toxic, SFO FO, in Unity...

Hmmm, 65% Ratification? Let's see the last PYRAMID SURVEY, why do you think it's never been released? Maybe your on the gravy train?

65% Echo, Waiting for Survey Results, in Unity...

LOL, sorry friend but I'm guessing you're not in the top 10% at HA, see you in LAX, the only difference is I will be an FO on the 787 with a year upgrade, and you will be an FO on a 737 with a 7-year upgrade because you supported the Good Ole' Boys that $*&^ you on the SLI.

Home Sweet LAX, in Unity...

I'm Sorry I must have read the "Request for VOLUNTEERS" wrong, I didn't see the part that you will be PAID for all ALPA time. I think the memo was incorrect, it should read as follows: "Request for Employees of the MEC", you will be paid and the best part is your hours are not tracked.

Can't Believe I Need to Explain This, in Unity...

Don't worry buddy... you probably aren't going to get furloughed. You can calm down a bit.

Nice pivot from “why isn’t he on VEBA” to “why aren’t we getting a forensic accounting of his ALPA pay”. The mental gymnastics are impressive. GMAFB

Why aren’t you curious about either? None of this should be the huge secrets they appear to be.

Be curious. Air it all out. Some will care, some won’t. If people really cared there’d be more people volunteering, getting involved, running for election, and showing up at meetings. Bid the time off if you want to make a spectacle.

I don't have the time or desire to go back and forth with you on this, but I haven't heard yo ask any questions on the all-calls addressing your concerns. Until I do, I won't consider your accusations credible or concerning. If money is being mismanaged, I believe the parties responsible should be held accountable. If money is simply not being managed like YOU want it to be, then run for a MEC position (I'm sure you'd get a lot of votes). I personally enjoy the PUB nights and the Christmas party. I feel unity is built by pilots getting together in a non-work environment. I'm sure the MEC will share with you how much they are spending on these events if you ask them. Also, I would not be a negotiator or write contract language for 37.5 hours of pay. So I'm not concerned that the negotiator in question received 90 hours of pay. Until you can prove that this violated terms of service or some written policy, then again I am not worried about it. I might be junior to you, I don't know. But I can say that I am not at all concerned with being forced to move to SF. You speak as if you know exactly what will happen after the SLI--you don't. Most likely an arbitrator will determine our fates objectively. Your rhetoric is not building unity. If you have valid concerns, investigate them and get others to join your cause in a mature manner, not like how you are going about it now. Have a good life...

this right here 100%

At least Fostro now knows why the negotiator wasn’t on VEBA.

The entirity of ALPA works for the pilots.
If you desire to 'find something out' you can pick up the phone(oh the humanity) and find out. From the President on down. They will answer or call back.
That is not what this is about though is it?

See you at the next LEC meeting, oh wait, no I won't.

I just read back through the other thread that he's totally demolished as well and saw that he said he filed a DART and got an answer that they were too busy to answer his question. That seems... kind of stupid. I'd love to see am actual screenshot of that DART because it sure seems like it probably never happened. And if he's lying about that I'd guess he's lying about pretty much everything.

Don't worry about me friend, I'm all set. You on the other hand better pray DOJ approves the merger because Chapter 11 is a rough road, especially when your Negotiating Chair is sitting nice and pretty with ALPA National. Keep the spin and protect the Good Ole' Boys, they will take you into a non-scheduled contract.

Keep the Spin and Protect the Good Ole' Boys, in Unity...