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capto 08-30-2008 12:12 PM

Jobs in China for ERJ,CRJ and Dornier drivers
 
Hey here is something for RJ drivers in China both CAP and FO, apparently they're hiring for the ERJ145,190, CRJ-200 and Dornier 328
LINK: World Aviation Systems Inc

;)

AirWillie 08-30-2008 01:57 PM

Mesa will be hiring shortly once they find out how they're going to pay their bills, they'll be able to match those 8 days off as well.

rjpurgatory 08-30-2008 11:13 PM

mesa is looking for a buyer for it's share of their "unprofitable" china operation. Seems jo really is the corrupt business idiot we all know and hate.

JetMonkey 09-01-2008 10:51 AM

That last requirement is interesting. "No license limitations". I got a EMB-145 type but it has that stupid circling approach-VMC only limitation on it, everyone got that on their type when I was at ExpressJet. They would probably want me to get it removed and I'm not sure how I'd do that without paying for another type ride?? :confused:

wxyz 09-02-2008 08:30 AM

China CACC will not accept a US license with a circle to land restriction on it. You'll have to go to the sim, spend 15 mins and do a circle to land approach, and have the FAA reissue the license. China will not accept a temp license either. Got to have plastic in hand.

Mason32 09-02-2008 08:48 AM


Originally Posted by JetMonkey (Post 453823)
That last requirement is interesting. "No license limitations". I got a EMB-145 type but it has that stupid circling approach-VMC only limitation on it, everyone got that on their type when I was at ExpressJet. They would probably want me to get it removed and I'm not sure how I'd do that without paying for another type ride?? :confused:


Isn't that an SIC type? I've never seen a PIC Type with a circling restriction on it?

Thedude 09-02-2008 10:13 AM


Originally Posted by Mason32 (Post 454229)
Isn't that an SIC type? I've never seen a PIC Type with a circling restriction on it?

Nope, its common in the US to have the cirlcing restriction. Most, if not all 121 carriers do not train to do circle to land.

dojetdriver 09-02-2008 11:00 AM


Originally Posted by Thedude (Post 454272)
Nope, its common in the US to have the cirlcing restriction. Most, if not all 121 carriers do not train to do circle to land.


On jet equipment. Turbo props are another story. MESA -8 crews are trained/approved to circle. I wouldn't doubt that other turbo prop operators are as well.


Originally Posted by wxyz (Post 454220)
China CACC will not accept a US license with a circle to land restriction on it. You'll have to go to the sim, spend 15 mins and do a circle to land approach, and have the FAA reissue the license. China will not accept a temp license either. Got to have plastic in hand.

I have yet to hear a definintve answer on this. If your type was done under an airlines approved training program, you might be able to to get an APD do it on a PC, might.

However, if you are thinking about going to an outside vendor such as FSI, CAE, or ANY other facility, it may be a whole different story all togehter and would entail more than just 15 minutes in the sim. Reason I heard (heard only). Going to an outside facility, they will more than likely train to the manufactorer's SOP procedures, which are not the ones you got your type under. Your type was granted under that specific airlines approved program. Hence, they may be required to train/check MORE than just the circle maneuver to get it removed.

If anybody else knows this be to correct or incorrect, please let us know.

CloudSailor 09-02-2008 01:26 PM

Many FO's at F9 are getting their circling restriction removed by some of the very generous DE's, when the time comes for their PC/PT. It takes a one hour brief, one practice circle-to-land, and one "real" circle-to-land.
Piece of cake once it's all said and done. Get in touch with someone you know in your training department and see if they can approve it. It's worked great here so far... for many FO's.
Good luck.

JetMonkey 09-02-2008 04:39 PM


Originally Posted by wxyz (Post 454220)
China CACC will not accept a US license with a circle to land restriction on it. You'll have to go to the sim, spend 15 mins and do a circle to land approach, and have the FAA reissue the license. China will not accept a temp license either. Got to have plastic in hand.

Well, the problem with going back into the sim and getting it removed is the fact that I haven't flown the 145 in over four years. I'd probably have to buy some sim time first just to get the feel of it again. Then there's the issue of China wanting you to have currency in the actual plane during the last 12 months as well. You can't win for losing! :rolleyes:

Ottopilot 09-03-2008 07:41 AM

You don't want to work in China, Japan, or Korea. Trust me. I'd go to Walmart first. If you think you do, talk first hand with someone who has done it.

dojetdriver 09-03-2008 11:38 AM


Originally Posted by Ottopilot (Post 454822)
You don't want to work in China, Japan, or Korea. Trust me. I'd go to Walmart first. If you think you do, talk first hand with someone who has done it.

Thats funny, guys say the SAME thing about going to work for CAL.

robthree 09-03-2008 06:28 PM

dojetdriver,

People used to say that about CAL... I haven't heard any seriously negative stuff in a long time, like 10 years or so.


I had one visit to HK, fifteen years ago. Didn't like it very much. And that was just a quick vacation. But the bills keep piling up, and the advertised pay is more than I could honestly hope to make anywhere in the US for over a decade.

Otto, have you been there? Anyone else? Its got to have good/bad points. Is there enough good for the money to outweigh the bad?

atpcliff 09-03-2008 07:23 PM

Hi!

I have one buddy now in China. He travelled extensively for 1 1/2 years throughout Asia, looking for the best place to work in Aviation, and discovered that China is the place to be. He LOVES it there.

He had the circling restriction, and did his company training and sim in China and had it removed on his China license. He is flying as a CRJ 50-seat Capt and will be a -190 FO also.

Another buddy is looking for a short-term contract in China...I will make sure he knows about this job. He was a -145 capt.

I thought China (specifically, Hong Kong) would've been fantastic for my family, except for the out-of-control air pollution, which was a no-go.

cliff
YIP

PS-Here's the website stuff that indicates they will train U to remove the circling restriction:
"During the training & license conversion process, salary will be 80% of the full amount. Training & licensing process will not take any longer than six (6) weeks. If after six weeks, full salary will begin regardless of the licensing process. "

Ottopilot 09-05-2008 10:21 AM


Originally Posted by dojetdriver (Post 454983)
Thats funny, guys say the SAME thing about going to work for CAL.

CAL: Based in the US. New planes. Fast advancement (until this month). Domestic & International flying. Pay and work rules need improving (and that's coming), but are not the worst out there. Actually, it's the best I've worked under.

I've flown with CAL pilots who left Cathay, Korean, Atlas, & Japan airlines. ALL of them say the same thing: CAL is 100% better. I'll take their word for it, they've been on both sides. One paid $30,000 to get out early. He was a Honolulu 747 FO and paid to leave the contract early. He's happy at CAL.

Like I said before, talk to actual pilots who have done it before you take the job.

capto 09-05-2008 10:32 AM

the way I look at it, for a forlough from TSA, Republic ect with student loans is better having a job than not. Hey if you can sit arround and complain then great. Now if you need the money and can't afford to complain, then is an option maybe not much but an option.

dojetdriver 09-05-2008 04:09 PM


Originally Posted by Ottopilot (Post 456367)
CAL: Based in the US. New planes. Fast advancement (until this month). Domestic & International flying. Pay and work rules need improving (and that's coming), but are not the worst out there. Actually, it's the best I've worked under.

I've flown with CAL pilots who left Cathay, Korean, Atlas, & Japan airlines. ALL of them say the same thing: CAL is 100% better. I'll take their word for it, they've been on both sides. One paid $30,000 to get out early. He was a Honolulu 747 FO and paid to leave the contract early. He's happy at CAL.

Like I said before, talk to actual pilots who have done it before you take the job.

It's too bad one of those funny emoticon things doesn't SPECIFICALLY mean "humourous sarcasm intended". If there was one, I would have attached it to the post.


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