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Moby Dick 01-22-2013 10:34 PM

Don't try and reason with true believers.

CaptainBigWood 01-23-2013 02:26 AM


Originally Posted by Moby Dick (Post 1335432)
USAir pay rates were imposed by a bankruptcy court judge. Coincidentally, that rate was the B6 non-Union rate at the time. USAir management convinced the court that they needed to match the non-Union rate to be competitive.

The ONLY reason they still have that rate is USAPA refuses to incorporate the arbitrated seniority list they agreed to in advance. You're right, they're stupid to still be working for those wages.

So what's your excuse?

A number of USAirways east F/O's left when the Nic came out and went to VX as captains when they saw that a HP new hire was placed above them on the Nic. The VX pilots are paid more and good for them. After paying dues to ALPA for 18 years and were told "just take this list for the team and the good of the union."

Red Forman 01-23-2013 03:21 AM


Originally Posted by Moby Dick (Post 1336419)
Don't try and reason with true believers.

I'm still waiting for you to show me what regional pays the same rates as Virgin.

txbusdriver 01-23-2013 03:56 AM


Originally Posted by CaptainBigWood (Post 1336443)
A number of USAirways east F/O's left when the Nic came out and went to VX as captains when they saw that a HP new hire was placed above them on the Nic. The VX pilots are paid more and good for them. After paying dues to ALPA for 18 years and were told "just take this list for the team and the good of the union."

That's a bit oversimplistic and a bit of revisionist history too. What part of binding arbitration isn't binding? Both sides of the Airways merger couldn't agree so you went to arbitration. What was ALPA supposed to do? No I didn't work for Amwest either.

plt32173 01-23-2013 04:22 AM


Originally Posted by txbusdriver (Post 1336471)
That's a bit oversimplistic and a bit of revisionist history too. What part of binding arbitration isn't binding? Both sides of the Airways merger couldn't agree so you went to arbitration. What was ALPA supposed to do? No I didn't work for Amwest either.

...just when I thought this thread couldn't get any longer

flyguyniner11 01-23-2013 04:29 AM

Anyway to get this thread back on track. How about, hiring practices, and competitive mins, the assessment?

amhess 01-23-2013 05:18 AM

Any chance a new hire could get based at JFK?

flyguyniner11 01-23-2013 05:21 AM

I don't believe so. It's a small base and relatively senior.

MusicPilot 01-23-2013 05:23 AM


Originally Posted by amhess (Post 1336526)
Any chance a new hire could get based at JFK?

Nope. There's senior FOs that won't upgrade just to stay away from commuting west.

Farmlover 01-23-2013 05:31 AM

Can we change this thread to "latest & greatest" please!!!


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