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EMB CJ3 flyer 06-23-2013 11:59 AM

Could dumb it up a bit.
 

Originally Posted by scubabri (Post 1433120)
ahh, that explains why they called me. no college degree, not going to a major anytime soon.

Well that's a new angle. Used to be under qualified, then shortage and now Over qualified.
Dam I just cant win ;)

scubabri 06-23-2013 12:06 PM

maybe the turnover math is working against them. retention is becoming important. at some point it may lead to shortage, but that remains to be seen.

Bozo the pilot 06-23-2013 03:13 PM


Originally Posted by Cubdriver (Post 1433110)
+1 again. I could have written this.



Well I do not dispute HR says this, but it means only one thing- they do not want pilots who are too expensive (by their own definition) to train. Not that there is any shortage of pilots at all. They want to skim the cream off the milk, not have to pay 5 cents for extra sims or training. Not that there is any shortage of pilots, period. There is a shortage of super-cheap pilots, that's all. I have seen working pilots being turned away, picking one guy out of 7 during this "staffing crisis", and my observations simply do not square with all these wishful claims there is a pilot shortage.

1 out of 7? Whatever lets you sleep at night.:rolleyes: Its around 50% overall. They want guys who will stay for at least 2 years. Please work for at least one regional before you think you have a clue-Ive read yur threads before- Keep interviewing and stop making excuses for why you didnt get the job. Good luck man.

brianb 06-23-2013 04:19 PM


Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot (Post 1433225)
1 out of 7? Whatever lets you sleep at night.:rolleyes: Its around 50% overall. They want guys who will stay for at least 2 years. Please work for at least one regional before you think you have a clue-Ive read yur threads before- Keep interviewing and stop making excuses for why you didnt get the job. Good luck man.

Exactly. Some people just want any reason/excuse to justify why they can't get hired by a Regional. Maybe they just need more practice in the interview process? Stop the whimpering, learn from your mistakes , get back up on that saddle and give it another try. You ain't the first and you ain't gonna be the last!! Some people have interviewed multiple times before they found the job for them.

Cubdriver 06-23-2013 05:39 PM

Or...

1. There is no pilot shortage at all. Pure urban myth.

2. Regionals hire half of those who come through the door, even though they meet all the mins, and throw capable and qualified people back on the trash pile after every single interview at a rate of about 50%.

3. They will park perfectly good airplanes even to the point of defaulting on flying contracts because they are not happy with higher training costs via using above 50% of those coming through the door even after being pre-qualified by HR screeners.

All I know is the lady at RAH said "you do not have a pilot's license" at my interview and then sent me home, so what am I supposed to think? What would you think? Poor interview skills o my part? No, I had ok-enough interview skills. I have many a successful interview behind me at age 40+, much harder ones than these regional airlines. Rather, the training costs were too high for training me or so they thought and they would rather park the airplanes than let me waste their time.

Bozo the pilot 06-23-2013 07:06 PM


Originally Posted by Cubdriver (Post 1433325)
Or...

1. There is no pilot shortage at all. Pure urban myth.

2. Regionals hire half of those who come through the door, even though they meet all the mins, and throw capable and qualified people back on the trash pile after every single interview at a rate of about 50%.

3. They will park perfectly good airplanes even to the point of defaulting on flying contracts because they are not happy with higher training costs via using above 50% of those coming through the door even after being pre-qualified by HR screeners.

All I know is the lady at RAH said "you do not have a pilot's license" at my interview and then sent me home, so what am I supposed to think? What would you think? Poor interview skills o my part? No, I had ok-enough interview skills. I have many a successful interview behind me at age 40+, much harder ones than these regional airlines. Rather, the training costs were too high for training me or so they thought and they would rather park the airplanes than let me waste their time.

You're transferring blame bro. Who cares about a shortage? Adjust your attitude and you'll be successful.You're not owed a job-you earn one with the proper experience and the communication skills to relate this to employers. Please stop the entitlement mentality. PM me if you really wanna cut thru it man. Good luck.

CBreezy 07-10-2013 06:09 PM

I've interviewed at 2 regionals without ATP mins and both offered me a position as long as I get the time soon (which I will). I don't know how you didn't get hired. They essentially threw the offer at me.

roscoe329 07-11-2013 05:11 PM

if one of the two was Republic go to the other one

STR8NLVL 07-13-2013 12:57 PM


Or...

1. There is no pilot shortage at all. Pure urban myth.

2. Regionals hire half of those who come through the door, even though they meet all the mins, and throw capable and qualified people back on the trash pile after every single interview at a rate of about 50%.

3. They will park perfectly good airplanes even to the point of defaulting on flying contracts because they are not happy with higher training costs via using above 50% of those coming through the door even after being pre-qualified by HR screeners.

All I know is the lady at RAH said "you do not have a pilot's license" at my interview and then sent me home, so what am I supposed to think? What would you think? Poor interview skills o my part? No, I had ok-enough interview skills. I have many a successful interview behind me at age 40+, much harder ones than these regional airlines. Rather, the training costs were too high for training me or so they thought and they would rather park the airplanes than let me waste their time.
Call me crazy, but I'm guessing your lack of an offer stems from the fact that the person doing the interview, whether incorrect or not, appears to have believed that you didn't hold a valid pilot's license...

Having done interviews at RAH in the past, I can cut through all this garbage and tell you a few things:

1) If they bring you in, we want to hire you. The job's yours to lose. There's no % of failures they shoot for.

2) At the completion of the interviews, all the interviewers that day convene in a room and talk about all the candidates. Candidates are culled for a few reasons, poor test scores on the knowledge or IQ tests, poor attitude during interview, poor performance during sim, some indication that they're just using this position to get current and then bolt, or some combination of the above. That's it. No one is turned down even though they're perfect, but we need to shoot down 50%.

3) I'm not sure what you're saying about the increased training costs, but the crux of what we're looking for, aside from someone without a bad attitude, is someone who can successfully pass training. The day they place your butt in class they've scheduled your sim sessions. If at any point thereafter you bust out or quit, they still have to pay for that time they reserved, to the tune of around $20,000. So, no, if there was something in your past or during your interview that indicated that you might require extra sim time, that would also indicate that you might fail out of training, even after said extra sim time, meaning RAH just wasted $20,000+ on sim time plus your paid wages and expenses. Their job as interviewers is to weed out those who are weaker pilots, or who may have issues during training.

STR8NLVL 07-13-2013 01:00 PM

And when I was doing interviews, we typically only passed on about 2 in every 10, give or take. YMMV

ImGoingOutSide 07-15-2013 02:17 PM

I interviewed with 3 others this spring. All of us had 1400tt 100+ multi. One cfi the other there were with my company. The 3 of us got offers once reaching atp mins. The 4th guy seemed good enough to get an offer and didn't say anything went wrong. one guy had a little sim trouble and was still offered if he completes a jet training program on his own.

atpcliff 07-15-2013 08:31 PM


all these wishful claims there is a pilot shortage.
The pilot shortage began several years ago. The latest indication is China Eastern just opened up pilot bases in Europe, Australia, Canada, and the U.S. 6 years ago or so, all pilots for Chinese airlines had to live in China.

Can U imagine UAL opening up pilot bases in Tokyo, Beijing and Dehli, and hiring foreign pilots? The Chinese are only doing it because they are DESPERATE. And the Chinese are hiring some foreign FOs, Captains without being typed in the specific aircraft, captains who aren't current, etc., etc. They are suffering quite a bit from the shortage.

And, about a month ago, 6 new airlines were announced in China.

atpcliff 07-15-2013 08:34 PM


The system is clogged with pilots fighting, kicking and screaming to get into the door.
Then why is Eagle paying $5K signing bonuses???

PSASUX 07-17-2013 04:20 AM

I work for a different airline and we are losing at least 3 CA's a month to the majors and we cannot fill our new hire classes. During my recurrent ground school our asst. chief pilot said that there was a new hire ground school at Republic and no one even showed up. Is there any truth to that statement?

Bozo the pilot 07-17-2013 05:36 AM


Originally Posted by PSASUX (Post 1446405)
I work for a different airline and we are losing at least 3 CA's a month to the majors and we cannot fill our new hire classes. During my recurrent ground school our asst. chief pilot said that there was a new hire ground school at Republic and no one even showed up. Is there any truth to that statement?

This is not true. They have had a hard time filling Q classes though. We are badly understaffed now- crew sked is messin with lineholders :( and the 170s havent arrived yet. Its gonna get ugly around here- well it already is:)

captbiff 07-17-2013 12:06 PM

From a buddy in the training dept...... They had a bunch of new hires leave after they where informed that they were going to the Q, and they got up and left.

jpmjpa 07-17-2013 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by captbiff (Post 1446666)
From a buddy in the training dept...... They had a bunch of new hires leave after they where informed that they were going to the Q, and they got up and left.

These stories are too funny......too bad everyone knows their certificate and equipment before they ever get to class. It's not something that is sprung on them when they get to the training center.

PilotGuy77 07-17-2013 01:15 PM

Why would they leave? What's the prob with the Q?

Gjn290 07-17-2013 03:08 PM


Originally Posted by PilotGuy77 (Post 1446706)
Why would they leave? What's the prob with the Q?

It's got props.

Bozo the pilot 07-17-2013 04:08 PM


Originally Posted by jpmjpa (Post 1446686)
These stories are too funny......too bad everyone knows their certificate and equipment before they ever get to class. It's not something that is sprung on them when they get to the training center.

Actually I wouldnt put anything past this company and they are havin a very tough time filling those Q classes. Niether of us have any idea of the validity of this story. I do however think it may be an exaggeration.

Bozo the pilot 07-17-2013 04:09 PM


Originally Posted by PilotGuy77 (Post 1446706)
Why would they leave? What's the prob with the Q?

Sked is busy- 6-8 legs a day and maybe they were lied to. Just speculation though...:confused:

JohnnyG 07-17-2013 05:39 PM


Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot (Post 1446780)
Sked is busy- 6-8 legs a day and maybe they were lied to. Just speculation though...:confused:

Only one person out of the 5 I know that just went to work there was offered the Q. He turned it down, they offered the 170.

People I know said during the HR portion they'd take the Q, aced the interview, and were not offered the job.

Bozo the pilot 07-17-2013 05:46 PM


Originally Posted by JohnnyG (Post 1446836)
Only one person out of the 5 I know that just went to work there was offered the Q. He turned it down, they offered the 170.

People I know said during the HR portion they'd take the Q, aced the interview, and were not offered the job.

And how do we know they aced the interview? Were u in every one? Noone knows except for the interviewers my man.


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