AMRG
 

I've seen a few posts about people inquiring about Hawaii Life Flight, Eagle Air Med, Guardian Flight etc. all of these companies are part of AMRG.

I know they are hiring right now. For all of those interested the minimum quals. are:

• ATP Cert
• Current 2nd class medical at least
• 2000 hrs TT
• 1000 hours PIC
• 500 hrs multi-engine PIC
• 500 hrs or 1 year single pilot IFR exp.

Hopefully this is helpful to someone. If you want anymore info feel free to PM me.

It was brought to my attention that should also put the link in the thread. Here is the link to the job postings for AMRG and company!

https://careers.smartrecruiters.com/...lresourcegroup

Again hope this helps someone out, if you let me know when you apply I may be able to answer any questions you have or help you out!

This is the former Blanding Air Ambulance/Scenic Aviation?

Not the same company that was doing one-hour annuals and operating airplanes with cracked spars?

Former Scenic Aviation. You are right, not the same company that was doing one-hour annuals and operating airplanes with cracked spars.

Still operated by a very close relative of the owner of the aforementioned company?

As a former employee of AMRG, I'll just put and end to your trolling right now, JohnBurke.

Yes this is the new version of the old Blanding Air Ambulance. They have come a LONG way from operating twin Cessnas off dirt strips on the "rez." Yes, the CEO / owner is the son of the original owner, and he is a good guy who is laser focused on growing a great business. The company has seen some insane growth, but I could always walk into the CEO's office to say Hi.

No, they don't do one hour annuals. I was on the King Air C90B, and never had any reservations about maintenance. Any issue I ever had was fixed quickly, and there were very few MELs.

I never had any pressure from management forcing to do flights in questionable situations. In fact, I turned down flights with critical patients that would have put my crew in danger, and I never once was second-guessed.

Pay is decent for King Airs, and varies across the different companies. You'll make more in Hawaii than Alaska. I enjoyed my time at AMRG and would certainly recommend working there to anyone who's interested.

There is no "trolling." The close relative of the former owner was one of those who was regularly observed conducting 1 hour annuals and 100 hours. Perhaps he had a change of heart.

The former owner, his father, would stop by the unheated single-wide trailer in which several pilots' families stayed, and demand to know why they didn't depart below minimums on flights in low weather and storms, to dirt runways with no approaches, and was heard to say "I don't care if you make it, I just need to show that you departed." He was also the same who said "You wouldn't complain to your college professor that your tuition cost too much, would you? Consider me your professor, and be grateful for the education that you get, working for me. By all rights, you should be paying me, instead of the other way around."

No doubt it's all changed, but somehow I doubt so. How often do leopards change their spots? The willingness to do whatever is required, whenever required, may be a thing of the past, but the past isn't that far away.

If that were true JohnBurke I doubt we'd be in business today. I cannot talk about the company 30 years ago because I was not here. Needless to say, the way the company is being ran today is magnificent, think what you want but our safety record and growth rate speak for itself. Thanks for replying though appreciate your concern!

You're quite defensive and quick to make assumptions.

The days of killing horses and hitting hogans with runway overruns, one-hour annual inspections, cracked spars, flying with gear doors removed, operating on broken landing gear, ordering pilots to fly patients without medical personnel on board, or using the EMT-qualified pilot as the medic in flight aren't 30 years in the past. Not that long ago at all.

The former chief pilot is gone, of course; the one who often bragged about running two company aircraft out of fuel on revenue flights, and landing them off field on a mountainside. Current employees don't need that kind of motivation from management.

Perhaps you call it "trolling" because you haven't been there long enough to know or remember.

Prospective employees beware.

The company is a mess, take my word for it!! Just another pt 135 operator. To say it is run magnificently is in my opinion wrong. Lots of good pilots I will say that though. Your Safety record is a testament to the caliber of pilots you have been able to hire in the past. Your growth rate needs to slow down or you will sooner or later bite off more then you can chew. I hope for the best for AMRG but I fear the worst. In this hiring environment I would stay away.

Bottom line the son of the original owner is an a** hole just like his dad and as long as you are a yes person that kisses his 100% of the time you will do fine. AMRG is not a company to work for at least not as a pilot.

Can someone explain the different schedules pilots fly and what an average month would look like. Thanks

Definitely a 135 operator in every aspect.

I was shocked at the non or negative training from Flightsafety in Wichita. It was the worst training I have ever seen.

The AMRG IOE guy belittled me every chance he could, which was kinda funny... But not that funny...
He has now advanced to a Chief spot of some sort in ANC, which might tell you something about the culture of this outfit.

I was given 35 minutes notice for my 6 month checkride.

MX is questionable, and pretty soon more of these planes will end up in the mountains. The MX guys will try to get you to fly with broken equipment, in the mountains, in the winter. I sincerely hope that the Feds start looking closer.

On a positive note, the medics I flew with out of my little town were top notch, and very good at their trade.

Current CP in Utah is a stand up guy, and will back you up with any issues. I refuse to vouch for anybody else...

Pay was mostly on time. No vacation, no retirement, health care was a funny racket...

Glad to be moving on. Good luck out there!

Could not have said it better myself!!

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All true...but there's more....

This company is riddled with mormon nepotism, greed and abject incompetence on countless levels.

They just canned a senior VP that was perhaps one of the most clueless in their odd cabal. She was perhaps the best example of one the most uneducated, miserably inept managers ever to hold such a position at a EMS operation the size of AMRG.

They also quietly pushed out an almost equally incompetent Director of Ops. This guy was an idiot who's claim to significance was an online BA degree from Embry Riddle. This poor stooge couldn't find his way through a typical 135 ops set of op specs to save his life. Even his POI regarded him as a moron. A total zero.

These people let their aircraft assets remain grounded for extended periods of time while the owner haggles over pennies with vendors. Stumbling over countless thousands of $$$ trying to save chump change is their accounting model.

On the medical side, their accounting rapes their customer base in overbilling.

This company is a scam run by soul-less sociopaths at the top level hiding behind a weird hypocritical cult-facade that is mormonism and guiltless greed.

It's simply a matter of time before this den of thieves implode.

Remember, this is no longer 2008 economy. There are far better places to work for.

These people are evil.

Stay away.

Heard the DO might be on his way it.. They finally did it.. Interesting.

He was by far the most arrogant person I'd ever met. And for no reason, because he hadn't done $hit in aviation.

I agree the people running the pilots side didn't have much of a clue. Most had no real world aviation experience, while others there had loads more. But for some reason the DO and CP's wouldn't tap into that knowledge and experience. It was a culture of " if we didn't think of it, it wasn't a viable option".

The last DO was attempting to be a "Valerie Jarrett" to the owner with minor success.

The hands-on knowledge of the F.A.R.'s, and overall management experience, that would be reasonably expected of the position of Director of Operations, for a typical EMS 135 operation the size of AMRG totally escaped this guy. In some respects I felt sorry for him.

But, after observing his relatively consistent sociopathic behavior, it was clear that it would simply be a matter of time before he was outed, once it was clear to the cabal he could not satisfy their degree of expectations of "getting something for nothing" from employees and vendors.

He was forced to relocate to another state for employment.

Forensic observations of the company's operations as a whole reveal too many things that don't add up. In some respects it is not a surprise based on the regions socio-political-economic history.

Latent corruption on a very high level is suspect. It is likely to continue unless politics shift impetus to reveal this situations impropriety.

The way this company does business would not work in many other parts of the country.

Don't sign
 

If you are considering going to work for Guardian / AMRG, give me a call at 907-244-7338. I will give you the rundown on their training contracts, and the hardball tactics employed by this aggressive, litigious organization. Also, I will put you in touch with currently employed pilots who will give you an insider's no-**** assessment of the current status of Guardian Flight, AK.

12,000 hour Alaska ATP, AMEL, ASES, A&P

It really is the same company. While others earlier in this thread were quick to try to discredit my comments, a year ago, it seems that nothing has changed, as a number of other posters have clearly demonstrated.

Yes, they were operating with spars cracked completely through in three places, landing gear so loose it could be moved around by hand while locked down and on jacks, missing gear doors, no nurse or even defibrilator with heart patients on board, and suicide patients placed in the passenger seat next to the pilot. Same personnel, same family that has been heard to tell a pilot "I don't care if you return or make it, I just need to show you having launched for dispatch reliability." Same owner that once told a pilot "Consider this your education. By all rights I shouldn't be paying you. You should be paying me."

If someone wants to go work for an operation like that, and people like that, by all means, cut your own throat and throw your hat in the ring. Never look back and say you weren't warned.

If you defend an outfit like that or deny it, you're a bald faced liar. There's no other way to put it.

Did you work for Scenic, Suntime or AMRG? I did, about 30 years ago and never heard anyone talk as bitterly as you! It was a flying job to build flight time and move on! What else is new?

That's called the truth, not bitterness. No, I don't work there.

Personal observations, and frankly, just the tip of the ice berg.

I respectfully disagree! Your version of the "truth" is as you say, based on "personal observation" and comments from other posters. That is the exact definition of hearsay: "information received from other people that one cannot adequately substantiate; rumor."

I don't know how it is to fly there today but it my opinion, it was some of the funnest flying I've ever done! Lake Powell, Monument Valley, Grand Canyon, Air Ambulance, Zion's Park, etc. No more or less mechanical issues than any other company I've worked for. I was never bullied to take flights. The pay sucked but I was single, young and dumb trying to build flight time and get on with a commuter.

I will say today, pilots are not a "dime a dozen" as they were recently in aviation history and corporations need to be competitive with salary, benefits and so forth to attract good pilots, mechanics and medics. Those problems should fix themselves quickly or the company simply won't survive without good people!

I base nothing I've said on the statements of others, or on hearsay, but on personal observation; only that which I've personally seen and heard directly, and nothing third party. I saw the things I identified, and I heard the statements that I identified, spoken by company personnel, ownership, and management. Nothing second hand, no guesswork, and absolutely true and correct.

If you worked for AMRG and saw none of those things, you had blinders on.

Pilots are still a dime a dozen, especially inexperienced ones. Little has changed there.

"other posters have clearly demonstrated"

1. You never worked there.
2. You have "personal observations".
3. You have factored in "other posters" comments.

Sounds like "hearsay" to me! The aviation industry is filled with gossip, hearsay and rumors! What else is new? In any case, your posts sound more like a personal gripe than an objective statement!

Hearsay? Other posters stated their personal experiences here, one after another. Their personal experiences are hearsay, first hand accounts? No.

My own first hand accounts? Not hearsay. Personal observations are not hearsay. Perhaps you don't understand the meaning of the word. If someone observes it first hand, hears it in person, it's not hearsay. It's a witness. Do you understand the difference? Clearly not.

Yours experience? Who knows.

Again, if someone's stupid enough to go work there, let them. They've been warned.

Your experiences, if indeed an enjoyable shangrila of ancient inexperience and as delightful as you portray, are also irrelevant for one seeking employment with this certificate holder today.

I didn't say I never worked there. You said that. Speak for yourself, should you think yourself capable, rather than attempting to do so for others.

News Flash!
 

First of all. you just said in a previous post that you don't work there! Ohhh I get it, you don't work there now. Anyway,
News Flash!

"I. Findings of Fact
1. Eagle Air Med Corporation ("Eagle") is engaged in the business of providing air ambulance services in the Four Corners Area of Utah, Arizona, New Mexico and Colorado, Ninety-nine percent of Eagle's services are provided to Indian Health Services ("IHS").
2. Scenic Aviation, Inc. is a separate corporate entity from Eagle, and is not a party to this action.
3. Although Scenic and Eagle may work together to provide air ambulance services, the two companies retain separate identities."

https://casetext.com/case/eagle-air-...-med-trans-sys

Scenic Aviation and AMRG DBA Eagle are not the same company according to a Utah district judge so this conversation is mixing apples and oranges! 30 years ago was a long time ago and I only have good memories of Scenic! Sorry your experiences were so ummmm. traumatic.

Again, quite irrelevant. Don't dismiss their bad practices, their poor maintenance, their ****ty attitudes and abuse of employees, their heavy handed efforts to push aircraft and crews in unsafe conditions or to question the judgement of pilots, or outright statements that they don't care if the aircraft or crew make it or survive, so long as they can show dispatch reliability; don't dismiss these things by trying to show a legal technicality about the separation of names and store fronts. They're the same people, the same ownership, the same management personnel, the same ethics, the same ideals, the same common histories, and the same actions. They can rebrand themselves a dozen times, and they've made efforts, but the leopard(s) have not changed their spots. Not in the least.

Did you bother to read the judgement against Eagle that you linked? Whether or not Scenic (doing business as) Eagle are two separate companies or not is purely an issue of whether or not Scenic got stuck with the bill; the same principles, same personnel, same family, same ownership, same building, same aircraft, same maintenance, same facilities, etc...just one company doing business as another; these become the important issues for anyone going to work. That a court referred to them as "separate" in a law suit in which Eagle lost, is really quite irrelevant. One going to work for them would be going to work for Scenic, the Hunts, and the rest of their organization. One would certainly be subject to the same abuses.

Did you bother to read the judgement? It's a damning indictment on Eagle (and it's parent company), which really applies to AMRG, as it's run by the same people. Eagle maintained in it's literature for the years described in the law suit that it was CAMTS accredited, when it wasn't. The legal document that you linked did a good job of covering a number of crashes and aircraft accidents and mishaps that Eagle lied about and misrepresented, tried to hide or cover up, as well as numerous other lies and falsehoods. It's interesting that Eagle brought the suit and it so clearly painted them in a bad light.

What's salient about your link, and I'll include again in case you remove it so that others can read it, is that the people who ran Eagle at the time continue to run AMRG today, and own Scenic...same people, same operations, just a bigger scope today. Nothing changes with these people. You claim nothing was wrong 30 years ago. The events in the law suit occurred 20 years ago and more recently, and are very damning. Did they suddenly start performing bad maintenance after you left, suddenly start crashing numerous airplanes after you left, suddenly begin making numerous gear up landings after you left, lying about maintenance, hiding crashes, withholding evidence, filing false reports, etc...all after you left? The company suddenly went south, turned bad, from the shangrila that it was when you were there?

Really? Anybody believe that? I certainly don't. The link that YOU provided doesn't.

Your'e one of them, perhaps? If so, shame on you for the deception. If not, shame on you for the deception in suggesting that they're anything other than they are. Anyone with a mind can tell otherwise.

You've discredited yourself. Well done.

https://casetext.com/case/eagle-air-...-med-trans-sys

Certainly won't lose a wink of sleep over it! It's a different company! You are confusing the facts with the organization of today with the one of 30 years ago that I flew for when this new CEO was in diapers. Go ahead and discourage people from going there...I don't give a rats a$$!

It's the same company. The legal paper you cited merely said that they're different corporate entities. It's a shell game, different names, but the same players. Same people, same owners, same principles. The same people that lie, cheat, and steal in one company do it in the others. As you managed to try to avoid pointing out, but did with your link, they were denied accreditation for falsifying reports, withholding information, lying, misrepresenting, and failing to meet criteria for CAMTS, the most basic certification for any air ambulance operation. They were barred from their bread and butter operation, BIA contracts, and have resorted to buying up numerous certificates and names to expand and hide their names. They opened up a new office in the same state, but still run by the same people.

Again, a leopard does not change its spots.

Joe may have been in diapers when you worked for his daddy, who did everything then that Joe does now. He learned from his father, grew up with the company, and has been pulling the same stuff for many years.

YOU introduced the link and the paper, quoted above, which includes numerous references to incidents during a particular period of time, but those are just a sliver of the total number of incidents with which the various company faces and names are associated. It's absolutely a shell game, an attempt to bolster credibility from an organization that has had numerous medical personnel call them on the carpet, and an attempt to hide the past.

You've lied here about the company, and outright lied about the statements made in this thread. You've tried to call statements by eyewitnesses "hearsay," and have even tried to twist the definition of the word. Any semblance of credibility you might have hoped to hold up has been shot, and any further effort addressing your comments would be a waste. It's for those reasons and more that you'll go on the ignore list. I won't waste further time on you.

The signal to noise ration has improved a thousand fold already.

Well, I can talk about it because I was there 30 years ago! It was a great company to fly for! I had a blast for the season I worked there flying Cessna 206's a Lance? and a 172 to the canyon, Bar 10 ranch and some VFR air ambulance. This isn't "hearsay" it's my opinion of the operation 30 years ago! I cannot talk about AMRG of today because I have no clue except that someone on this forum says that "a leopards spots don't change" and a District judge says it isn't the same company! Now I'm branded a "Liar" because I don't fit someone's agenda. Nice!

After viewing the AMRG website, I can tell you, this 135 outfit doesn't even have a resemblance to the one I worked for 30 years ago.....leopard spots my a$$!

Fired employee is suing Eagle Air Med Corp. | Deseret News

https://www.ems1.com/air-medical-tra...es-bankruptcy/

'I do not want to die on the job' -- Former worker for Utah-owned air ambulance blasts long shifts | The Salt Lake Tribune

Utah company fires pilot convicted in helicopter crash | The Salt Lake Tribune

https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Ai...ws-E809880.htm

AMRG Buyout
 

Rumour is that KKR is to acquire AMRG. Anyone have some insight on this?

https://www.pehub.com/buyouts/air-medical-resource-group-said-to-near-sale/

AMRG has been bought by AMGH.

From what I have heard from current employees, first thing they did and I do not mean to offend anyone, was to get rid of all of the management and family members that made AMRG a company to avoid.

Give it a year or so to purge the rest of the former company and it might be a good company to work for.

It is getting worse. Sure it may have had problems with nepotism before... but now it is a good ol boys club for friends of Ben Dorman (our new president). We have an assistant chief who was Dorman's personal CFI who was hired 6/16 and catapulted into his position with hardly any experience. Our D.O. was Dorman's employee when he ran valley med flight. Etc etc.

My recurrent training was literally a sit down with a study guide. That's it.

They are starting to pressure pilots to take flights in dangerous weather.

Pilots and med crews are not receiving their promised retention bonuses without a fight.

Relocation reimbursements are being promised and then denied after the employee moves.

On 8/25/17 the D.O. declared that our pay needs to be restructured. We are going to get paid hourly wages instead of daily rates. We are also moving to a 14/7 schedule.

Just stay away. Stay far away.

Are you working for them now?

Yes. I am a king air pilot with AMRG. Right now I'm trying to find another job before this company sinks from underneath me. Ben Dorman is wrecking decades of work that Joe Hunt put into this place.

Duuuude.... Bail IMMEDIATELY if you can!
 

Duuuuude,

You should bail from that situation immediately, but write a letter to AMGH on your way out. The air ambulance companies under their umbrella are known to be safe, quality companies to work for with similar pay and 7/7 schedules as Air Methods.

I don't think that AMGH realize what they've bought into with AMRG, but if they find out they might be able to make positive changes.

This isn't 1995, 2001, or 2008 anymore and nearly EVERYONE is hiring! Make the move that will help your career and possibly save your career (and life) if things are as bad as they say there. Headhunters are making cold calls for pilots now and there are quality air ambulance companies that haven't been able to find qualified King Air pilots for months. Wheels Up recently hired direct entry captains as recently as 2 months ago..

You. Have. Options!!:D

I worked under the AMRG umbrella for a couple few years, and Hunt was a real character. The nepotism and our SLC church folks are the chosen people, the rest of you are just fillers, finally made me leave.

I worked for a great family owned company that sold to AMRG, and watching that company fall apart was hard.