Originally Posted by Scraggly Heron
(Post 2248320)
Pilots spend thousands of dollars on interview preparation and resume reviews. The legacy airlines spend nothing on recruiting pilots, because they don't have to. Regional airlines still have pilots flying for them despite pay that's on par with brewing coffee for Starbucks.
So yes, I'm still convinced that there's no pilot shortage. Regionals have raised pay considerably, and it still isn't fixing the problem. Even if they started FOs at $150k/yr there would not be enough pilots in the next few years to fill the slots. There is a big buffer that is empty, and it is going to get a lot worse. To fix it: - pay needs to increase (currently in progress) - the 1500 hour rule needs to be reduced or eliminated - the mandatory retirement age needs to be raised or eliminated - cost of training needs to decrease Any one of those coming in to reality will not solve the problem, all of them have to happen in order for the pilot shortage to meet levels of demand |
Originally Posted by WesternSkies
(Post 2248381)
Can you explain?
What regulatory burden? |
Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
(Post 2248392)
Barriers to entry helps drive wages up.
Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
(Post 2248392)
Allowing 250 hr commercial pilots not the right seat of a regional helps keep wages low.
Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
(Post 2248392)
Also - if 1500 is arbitrary - what is your plan for setting a better standard or are you one who likes to complain about things but has no answer?
Eventually profits will decrease and/or ticket prices will increase and we'll start to see some elasticity of demand due to higher prices. |
Originally Posted by NMuir
(Post 2248396)
The way it was seemed to work ok.
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Originally Posted by NMuir
(Post 2248396)
Or perhaps some sort of merit/skills based test at 500 hrs.
I have even seen someone's career ruined becuase he assumed that meeting the minimum flight time for upgrade was the same as being qualifed. If he had delayed that upgrade by 6 months he would have had the oppurtunity to have an experinced captain teach him an important lesson before he started flying with new FOs. |
Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
(Post 2248392)
Muir -
Allowing 250 hr commercial pilots not the right seat of a regional helps keep wages low
Originally Posted by NMuir
(Post 2248396)
Artificially. But they also create shortages, as seen here.
Using the 1500 hr rule really is a weak argument. Looking at the history within the industry, the 400 hr FO was just a blip on the radar. In the past, pilots needed well over 1500 hrs just to be considered at the regional level. |
The second there is a REAL pilot shortage, the airlines will push through the Multi-Crew Pilot license. (or whatever it was called)
In the mean time, keep dreaming. |
Originally Posted by NMuir
(Post 2248390)
A 4-year government college is going to be about $35k for tuition, probably another $10k for books and misc, and then living expenses ??$.
Flight training to get all one's tickets is around $60-90k including gear and check rides. So $175k for a 4 year degree, plus flight training is not unrealistic. Granted the more one works while they are in training and college, the lower the number, but it is essentially impossible to do both these days for less than $140k without help (scholarships, angel donors, etc). This is not even an aviation degree. Getting a degree in aviation is a different ballgame all together (UND/Riddle/MTSU, etc). |
Originally Posted by Stihlsaw
(Post 2248474)
If you spent $60-90K to get your ratings you got screwed!
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Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine
(Post 2248499)
That is a realistic cost these days. I constructed a bare bones syllabus to go from private to CFI in mostly a 152 and the price is $30,000 (and that is without the cost of the CFI).
Now I have to admit I did the PPL and then just flew for fun for a while before I decided to pursue a career so I had some TT built up |
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