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Bellanca 02-24-2017 10:10 AM


Originally Posted by galaxy flyer (Post 2305473)
That list has one thing in common--indoor work that frequently involves interpersonal skills.


GF

That, and most of these jobs mentioned are usually working under or as assistants to people in careers that are predominantly male careers...

Example: look at any accounting firm. The majority of receptionists, assistants, lower-level accountants may be women, but look at the high-paying jobs like CPAs and partners, the vast majority of those are men.

Bellanca 02-24-2017 10:18 AM

I see a lot of outrage over women and minority hiring preferences, that is supposedly going on currently at the majors. If you look at the Delta and United hiring stats that ALPA publishes, their classes are about 7% female. The regional pilot population is about 6% female. 1% difference isn't usually considered to be statistically significant.

Now what about legacy hires (children of major airline pilots, checkairman, etc). Those people seem to have a huge leg up over anyone, and people rarely complain about that. It seems like a lot of low-time d*bags and d*p$h*ts that have moved up from my airline (the ones captains hate flying with, who have an entitled attitude and poor work ethic) have one thing in common: daddy or uncle or close family friend is someone of influence at Delta, United, AA, etc. It seems to me being born with a good connection at the airlines helps 10x more than being born female or a minority when it comes to getting on at a major airline.

GogglesPisano 02-24-2017 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by Bellanca (Post 2308096)
I see a lot of outrage over women and minority hiring preferences, that is supposedly going on currently at the majors. If you look at the Delta and United hiring stats that ALPA publishes, their classes are about 7% female. The regional pilot population is about 6% female. 1% difference isn't usually considered to be statistically significant.

Now what about legacy hires (children of major airline pilots, checkairman, etc). Those people seem to have a huge leg up over anyone, and people rarely complain about that. It seems like a lot of low-time d*bags and d*p$h*ts that have moved up from my airline (the ones captains hate flying with, who have an entitled attitude and poor work ethic) have one thing in common: daddy or uncle or close family friend is someone of influence at Delta, United, AA, etc. It seems to me being born with a good connection at the airlines helps 10x more than being born female or a minority when it comes to getting on at a major airline.

This is not the case at Delta. Even CP's can't don't have any extra pull with Pilot Selection. Otherwise I agree, "legacy" admissions at universities or "legacy" hirings at companies are as bad as affirmative action.

HercDriver130 03-05-2017 06:59 AM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 2308195)
This is not the case at Delta. Even CP's can't don't have any extra pull with Pilot Selection. Otherwise I agree, "legacy" admissions at universities or "legacy" hirings at companies are as bad as affirmative action.

THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ i currently have 5 LORs at DELTA including a past system CP.... nada....

Learflyer 03-05-2017 12:07 PM


Originally Posted by HercDriver130 (Post 2314196)
THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ i currently have 5 LORs at DELTA including a past system CP.... nada....

There's a woman I know that started flying in 2011...I mean started taking lessons who is now at Delta. No regionals. No nothing. Just a tremendous amount of girl power!:rolleyes:

ItnStln 03-05-2017 12:35 PM


Originally Posted by Learflyer (Post 2314371)
There's a woman I know that started flying in 2011...I mean started taking lessons who is now at Delta. No regionals. No nothing. Just a tremendous amount of girl power!:rolleyes:

It's funny how that happens

GogglesPisano 03-05-2017 04:12 PM


Originally Posted by Learflyer (Post 2314371)
There's a woman I know that started flying in 2011...I mean started taking lessons who is now at Delta. No regionals. No nothing. Just a tremendous amount of girl power!:rolleyes:

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HercDriver130 03-07-2017 12:20 AM


Originally Posted by Learflyer (Post 2314371)
There's a woman I know that started flying in 2011...I mean started taking lessons who is now at Delta. No regionals. No nothing. Just a tremendous amount of girl power!:rolleyes:

Better lucky than good.....

Learflyer 03-07-2017 03:50 AM


Originally Posted by HercDriver130 (Post 2315392)
Better lucky than good.....

You nailed it...

overcast 03-10-2017 11:58 PM

Hercdriver130, DL in the past was very much a buddy system. If you were navy or airforce, you had a good shot. Now you have 5 internal recs, good for you. I have none! Don't know anyone there. Yes, got my app in, for few years now. No word. I guess over 8000 hours, almost half of that on 3 and 4 engined heavy jets, all over the world. I guess I am still not good enough.
Fedex is the same. You need to know 3 people who have flown with you (and apparently flying formation in F18 or F16's count as that). Guess what, I don't know anyone there. So I cannot even apply, yet I was good enough to fly their stuff when they needed extra help.


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