pushFD

Unratified yet, but the proposal is:

Pay rates:
(I'm sure you've all seen the screenshot. It's true).
FO Starting $90 and topping to $108 in year 8.
CA: $149 topping $215 at year 18.

There are regular rate adjustments scheduled in 2023 and 2024 when our current contract expires.

Part 121 pay credit. Basically like Skywest and AA Wholly owned programs.

Skywest wage review: our rates can't be below SkyWest and are always $1 above.

Per Diem: 2.25/hour

Holiday pay: 150% pay (not including premium pay) for specific holidays.

Min daily rig 4.2

Fatigue Pay. Paid when calling in fatigue.

Retirement: up to 8% match, direct contribution between 2-4% depending on longevity. With the new rates this actually makes saving for retirement a real opportunity.

Commuter & deadhead enhancements. List on any 2 CASS participating carriers. No discipline if missed trip when compliant. up to $400 reimbursement for commuting expenses per bid. First class or premium seats assigned when available, otherwise window or aisle.

I may have abbreviated explanations for brevity.

rmcbear08

Heard on a crew van (so not sure if it’s true) QX crew was talking about a new “fatigue review board” being a part of the TA? As in, you call in fatigued and you possibly have to explain yourself in front of a panel of judges.

Any truth to this?

DashAviator

That's not exactly how it works.

If you call in fatigued, you are required to file a fatigue report. This has actually been company policy for the last ten or so years. (I should know - I've filed plenty of these during the five years that I was on reserve.) The panel reviews the report, and decides on whether the pilot should be pay protected or not. Anything out of the pilot's control means that the pilot is pay protected. Common "no-fault" triggers include irregular operations, short overnights, multiple extensions and schedule changes, noise at the hotel, etc. Note that the fatigue review board is supposed to include two company representatives and two union representatives. I suspect it would work a little bit like our ASAP program. The pilot is not expected to show up "in front of a panel of judges".

In my opinion, this is an improvement over what we have now. In the past, pilots weren't pay protected for a fatigue call. You got paid for what you worked and nothing more.

rmcbear08

Got it. Thank you for clarifying.

pushFD

To be honest the fatigue policies here are really good. I’ve never had to explain myself beyond a generalized fatigue report.

hydrostream

Same. Filled out the report and never heard anything more about it.

rmcbear08

Great to hear. The crew van chatter I heard made it sound much more draconian than the policy actually is.

But then again, that’s about par for crew van chatter!

pushFD

We have a very small group of extremely vocal and reactionary pilots here that blow everything out of proportion because artificial emergency is how they socialize. Typically, they are *ahem* older than the median or average age and have been traumatized by low wages, reduction in qol, and bad equipment. They'll be all retired soon, worry not.

DashAviator

Or maybe they've been around long enough to remember when a few pilots got FIRED for calling in fatigued. Yes, this actually happened. This kind of draconian response to fatigue calls is no longer acceptable to the FAA, and the company has also come to realize that pilots are no longer a "dime a dozen".

AvwriterJoe

Simple Flying has details on the TA: https://simpleflying.com/horizon-air...lmost-doubles/

There's even a pay scale table and talk about managing fatigue.