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Fishfreighter 03-20-2008 12:53 PM


Originally Posted by mistarose (Post 309238)
What does this mean, are the CRJs just costing too much money compared to the Q4s? I've heard rumors of Horizon becoming a Q400 only fleet. And who is threatening who? How would this effect all the pilots at Horizon?

Well, for one thing, it would instantly cut the pilot payroll for by about 20% when all the jet pilots get displaced back to the Q400. Management could eliminate the pay scale unilaterally because there would be no jets to fly and, as a result, no pilots eligible for the jet pay scale.


Originally Posted by mistarose (Post 309439)
From what I understood, it was actually a good deal for Horizon because they didn't really need the CRJs while Frontier was using them and it provided a income they could count on. Then when Frontier and Horizon mutually ended the agreement, I think Horizon actually wanted them back and has more use for them now. Those are my un-informed thoughts and my only source is a 7-8 year Horizon Captain I talked with.

And he was probably correct when oil was $40 a barrel. At $110 a barrel, QX cannot afford to fly the RJ, even a 70 seater. Mike Boyd is right, RJs are dead. Its only a matter of time before they're completely replaced by either Tprops or Ejets.


Obviously the financial benefits of Horizon going from a three type fleet (subleasing up to 16 Q200s to CommutAir and should be Q200 free by early 2009) to a two aircraft fleet will be nice. But as LaMar mentioned a couple times during the last time he gave a presentation, there really is a chance Horizon will become a 1 type fleet with 48 Q400s by August 2009.
The one entity you can't lie to is the SEC. And this plan has already been outlined in ALK 8k and 10k SEC reports.


It seems smart financially on paper, but I'm curious how this would change things from a pilot's perspective at Horizon?...
Pay for the jet guys would drop. However, the guys displaced from the RJ to the Q will be very senior. And more flying means better lines. So, there may be a slight silver lining in the thunderheads.

Fokker28 03-20-2008 01:45 PM

Now, now, you were just told you need to APPEAR to be enjoying them...! Somebody needs to post that line from that newsletter.

BoredwLife 03-20-2008 02:31 PM

I tossed my copy. Now I wish I hadnt. LMAOO

Ill get my hands on one soon. Im sure someone on Leave wont be needing it.

Maybe tech pubs has one.

BoredwLife 03-20-2008 02:32 PM

Also at what point to I need to get off of my cell phone? I cant find that in the FOM.:p

121PyLut 03-20-2008 06:19 PM

...it's plain and simple...we're all screwed!!!

soon2bfo 03-20-2008 08:00 PM

If she thought the schedule was bad before tell her to wait until you pick up that night job at McD's just to pay the heat.

AlaskaOps 03-21-2008 07:27 AM

For those of you with QX, what do you think of a exchange deal with Bombardier to aquire CRJ-1000 for the CR7? Of course this would require AAG to pay a little for the planes and Bonbardier have a home for the used -700. But just a idea I was thinking up when talking to a CR7 Captain in SFO. This way AAG doesn't have to bring in a outside company for the 100 seat flying. Personally I'm fried at the thought Air Group is even considering bringing in another airline.

ASSFO

FL410 03-21-2008 07:50 AM

100 seat jets - right on. THERE MUST BE A NEW CONTRACT AND PAYSCALE!!! The company came up to one of the main guys and said that they wanted cjr900. He said great but we need a new contract and a new pay scale. The comapny said, "nope on both but you will look great in the longer shinny jet."
I believe that if they outsource our 100 seat flying that whatever airline that would do that would get major hell fro AS and QX. The believe that is only a threat. Anything bigger than 100 seats belong at a major.
Now I think that we will lose some RJ's and get more Q400. Maybe we wont lose all RJ or we may get 1000 but i believe that the jets will be reduced in the QX system. If the RJ's go away that would limit any growth chances.

We are starting Flagstaff - LAX in the end of June.

longhauler 03-21-2008 07:54 AM

I am glad I left the ERROR group after 8 years. It never changes with Pinhead and company, hey hows' Art Thomas, still a jackass?

121PyLut 03-21-2008 08:42 AM


Originally Posted by check6 (Post 345257)

That was the most ridiculous piece of literature I've ever seen Mr. Hahn put out. . .

...get ready, there will be more as the fight rages on...:mad:


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