Horizon breaks out the same, dusty old playbook
 

Well, they have started to officially threaten us with loss of CRJs, as well as outsourcing of our flying.

I think it is time for us to just SLOW DOWN and consider our options...f




Hmm, I put the comma in the wrong place in that thread title...better get more coffee.

It's third down and 15. Ball on Horizon's 25. Pilot group is in field goal range with 3 time outs left. Pilot group had 3 trip plays in their play book.

1. Slow Down
2. No "Quick Turns"
3. Start writing up those beloved Q400's

What does this mean, are the CRJs just costing too much money compared to the Q4s? I've heard rumors of Horizon becoming a Q400 only fleet. And who is threatening who? How would this effect all the pilots at Horizon?

With only 21 CRJ's, the overhead required to support them is probably killing them on cost. With the loss of the Frontier deal, I suspected they'd be going sooner or later anyway.

I'm not sure I understand what the group is trying to get out of the deal. Is there pressure from management to take pay concessions?

Is collective bargaining power not working?

From what I understood, it was actually a good deal for Horizon because they didn't really need the CRJs while Frontier was using them and it provided a income they could count on. Then when Frontier and Horizon mutually ended the agreement, I think Horizon actually wanted them back and has more use for them now. Those are my un-informed thoughts and my only source is a 7-8 year Horizon Captain I talked with.

Obviously the financial benefits of Horizon going from a three type fleet (subleasing up to 16 Q200s to CommutAir and should be Q200 free by early 2009) to a two aircraft fleet will be nice. But as LaMar mentioned a couple times during the last time he gave a presentation, there really is a chance Horizon will become a 1 type fleet with 48 Q400s by August 2009.

It seems smart financially on paper, but I'm curious how this would change things from a pilot's perspective at Horizon?...

It seems smart finacially except for the fact that the Q4 is mostly responsible for 18+% rise in unscheduled mx costs, it continues to have reliability issues, and not to forget the little landing gear issue. Error Group is at it again...:confused:

Interesting

Whoops, I just noticed the response to my original post. I NEVER meant to imply any kind of job action should be undertaken. Any inference otherwise is not my responsibility. That's not my style. I just meant that we as a pilot group can get all riled up and bickering amongst ourselves, when we should be pausing to think about the best LEGAL way to improve our lot.

290 leaves at the end of this month. I have an appointment at the Koolaid factory in the middle of April. Pinneo, Gene and everyone else will be there to tell us about the pay cut that we need to take.
Sarcastic: I need to take a paycut I got over $1,800 last month, with the house payment, car payment and student loans, I only lost $300 bucks. What a bunch of BS.

I was told I need to ENJOY my preflights more!!