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Originally Posted by lidarheadache (Post 372754)

I wonder what ever happened to the geared turbofans that both GE and P&W were so hot on in the late 80's when fuel prices went through the roof? They both had test a/c with one on the back that was about 30-35% more efficient and met noise limits. They were supposed to solve the TP's speed limitations, weren't they?

see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propfan

PW is currently testing a narrow-body sized geared turbofan, and will be certifying it in the upper-RJ thrust range. The bombardier C-series and the Mitsubishi RJ will both use this engine, and I'm betting others will get on board fast.

On that note, the Mitsubishi RJ looks pretty good on paper...they fixed most traditional RJ pax annoyances and threw in a lot fuel-effecient technology.

I think GE and Rolls are holding out for more technology before comitting to GTF vs. Open Rotor, but they will have to decide before the Boeing and Airbus next-gen narrowbody designing starts in earnest.

Where will all those CRJ's be going???

Overseas........India probably.

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Originally Posted by whoareyou310 (Post 372947)

Where will all those CRJ's be going???

ANA has signed up for the MRJ, which indicates that they think it's a good product...they would NOT buy something just because it's made in Japan.

The Russian and Chinese RJ's will likely find initial customers domestically, but I think both will be certified to FAA standards, which will ensure their acceptance anywhere in the world.

Watch out world! We at Horizon are shrinking our way to world dominance!

PS

Hi, LaMar!

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Originally Posted by Fokker28 (Post 373187)

Watch out world! We at Horizon are shrinking our way to world dominance!

PS

Hi, LaMar!

HAHAHAHHAA

Seriously this is their motto. Gerheart told me himself. Then I laughed and walked away.

Sounds like the June Q400 class was canceled but the class of 8 starting this thursday (Q4) is still scheduled to start.

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Originally Posted by mistarose (Post 375408)

Sounds like the June Q400 class was canceled but the class of 8 starting this thursday (Q4) is still scheduled to start.

That is officially true. I have a friend in the may class. All I can say is I guess you can get in and work for about a year then possibly be furloughed. My guess is that there is still more info to come.

Rumor has it that there is a survey out asking Alaska pilots what their thoughts are on bringing a third party in, since HORIZON is losing money and thats the reason they are having to fight for a raise. If they got someone cheaper to fly it they could get their money back.

OHHHH MANNNNNNNN Im stirring the pot on this one.:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by BoredwLife (Post 375410)

That's the problem with being highly compensated in the regional world. Colgan now operates Q400's...how's the horizon scope?

It will be VERY interesting to see how the AK pilot group deals with this issue. Senior pilot groups generally have a poor record when it comes to taking care of their regional affiliates...hopefully they will do the right thing.

Horizon is gonna be a horrible place to be within 6 months. 20 Q400's will not be exercised. My guess is 170 furloughs.