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Iceman310 04-24-2017 06:11 PM

The only people that will vote yes to this lunacy are the ones that want the $15k before they jump ship. Thanks for making first year pay at a major more affordable.

Everyone else should vote no. This has no benefit for anyone who is senior and has no plans to leave QX.. What a piece of garbage! Still a four year seat lock and no pay raise except for FOs... This a joke?!

The company sent an email last week saying it would be a 4.5 min credit daily value for trips and now its only 4.2? Why the reduction? Super disappointing.

Iceman310 04-24-2017 06:16 PM


Originally Posted by snackysmores (Post 2350077)
Ever since they started doing their 10k bonus classes have been bigger, I'd say the average now is between 8-10.

1-2 per class take the money and bail because they dont care about never going to a glorified regional (AS). Which is also why the new bonus is trying to be paid after IOE.

50% fail training because of the quality people they are hiring.

8-10 is more like 4-5 that make it through training.

Aerotrinamic 04-24-2017 06:22 PM

do ERJ FOs not get a seat lock? and does the seat lock stay in effect after you upgrade?


on that other topic:
it does seem unfair that existing FOs get both a raise and 15$ and captains only the bonus

mightyflyer 04-24-2017 07:59 PM


Originally Posted by Iceman310 (Post 2350125)
The company sent an email last week saying it would be a 4.5 min credit daily value for trips and now its only 4.2? Why the reduction? Super disappointing.

I think 4.5 was to be a daily average. New LOA 4.2 will be a daily min. I'll take the daily min, but either would be an improvement.

Iceman310 04-24-2017 09:07 PM


Originally Posted by mightyflyer (Post 2350204)
I think 4.5 was to be a daily average. New LOA 4.2 will be a daily min. I'll take the daily min, but either would be an improvement.

Thanks for clearing that up. I agree that 4.2 daily min is much better than 4.5 daily average. A raise across the board is what we deserve.

snackysmores 04-24-2017 09:37 PM


Originally Posted by Iceman310 (Post 2350132)
1-2 per class take the money and bail because they dont care about never going to a glorified regional (AS). Which is also why the new bonus is trying to be paid after IOE.

50% fail training because of the quality people they are hiring.

8-10 is more like 4-5 that make it through training.

I think the 1-2 part is probably accurate, the 50% failure rate can't be real or else the FAA would take action...unless you have some sort of data i don't.

The next seniority list should be out within the next few days and we can see.

snackysmores 04-24-2017 09:38 PM


Originally Posted by Aerotrinamic (Post 2350135)
do ERJ FOs not get a seat lock? and does the seat lock stay in effect after you upgrade?


on that other topic:
it does seem unfair that existing FOs get both a raise and 15$ and captains only the bonus

ERJ seat lock doesn't really apply...You won't want to switch to the Q400 anyway until you're ready to upgrade, in which case the seat lock language doesn't apply.

If we grow 13 planes this year the upgrade times will go down significantly, ERJ FOs will become Q400 captains eventually. You won't upgrade in the jet here.

amcnd 04-24-2017 10:05 PM

So what does a 8 year Q400 Captain stand to gain from this TA??? Better trip pay and a vote yes bonus?? No hourly wage increase....? No 401k increase...? Seems very, Give all the gains to someone that isn't even hired yet....

Niobe 04-25-2017 06:32 AM


Originally Posted by Phteven (Post 1997865)
These are going to the scrapyard at the end of 2016. Skywest already got a new contract to exchange that flying for E175 flying a few months ago. Horizon didn't have an "opportunity to compete" for that.

Still 8 year CBA, no flow, and no rig on the jet ? Hahaha. You guys vote all the FOs a bunch of money and see how this works out for you. LOL

GUFN 04-25-2017 06:55 AM


Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 2350237)
So what does a 8 year Q400 Captain stand to gain from this TA??? Better trip pay and a vote yes bonus?? No hourly wage increase....? No 401k increase...? Seems very, Give all the gains to someone that isn't even hired yet....

Honest question: What do Captains expect will happen if the TA fails and the airline can't keep FO's or attract new FO's?


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