Anyone read the negotiations update today?
 

After telling me I was so wrong a month or two ago about the state of our negotiations, what say you guys now?

The negotiations were making progress and now they've seemed to slow. What exactly are you gloating about? You got the same email we all did. You knew nothing more then than we all did and you know nothing more now than we all do. :rolleyes:

We are all awaiting your "ace of the base" update.....

Not surprised...

Keep picking up those RSAs/VDAs and help out the conpany!

Please please please please come help the operation today. Never mind the fact that the last 2 new hire classes have only had 3 people in them. Or that we have only upgraded 30 people all year. PLEASE HELP US UN FORK OURSELVES


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And the sad part is people will help out.
Greed is good :(

Hey but our hard work is known and appreciated, just not when it comes to DROs or good hotels or negotiations.

We should all the fwd the email from Paul saying we don't need to hire pilots.

There was a discernible change in tone from negotiation updates past. Not good.

Show up to the rally Tuesday.

We dont know what is really up- youre right about that RVR, but a few of us have been less optimistic about the goal line D that B6 would exhibit than some of you.
We may have full faith in the NC, but have Zero faith in B6.
They will drag this out indefinitely, which is what we've been posting.
Im def not gloating, because this could just be a speed bump,but this thing has got to get ugly for B6 or they will never close this thing out. They do not believe that this pilot group will strike. Ive saved 20K- anyone else?
Lets be prepared to walk-thats the only power we have.

Yes, yes.

Don't forget to write your congress person so we can attempt to put our peers out of work.

How many emails do we get about atc reform? I love how they will never take the blame for the daily lack of operational control they have.

No kidding. Totally unreal. For those that don't know, right after we get the negotiations update that said no progress made, we get the chief pilots email asking us to help put the airline back together!

Ha, and as you said, after they basically stopped hiring and upgrading pilots!. Yeah, OK.

Wrong history revisionist. I told you negotiations we're about to come to a screeching halt. You guys said I was wrong and just being negative. Welcome to the screeching halt I said was coming.

We have some slow learners here. Anyone from comair(and I know we have a ton) should know better. That was a great first airline to get an industry education at.


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They already screwed up the pay for my month during the meltdown the last two weeks. Is the email address CREWPAY? Tried comments on Rainmaker and the response is not consistent with the FSM. Company can't even get normal pay correct let alone future pay.

I think that address is correct. Not 100%.

They have a phone line in the main phone tree. Could call them as well.

Could also call the union scheduling guys (if you have not) make sure you are correct and than take it to the company.

Eh whatever. I'm not gonna go back and read posts. I don't really care if I agreed or disagreed with your previous posts. I just don't get the gloating on here. Yeah you were right I guess. I don't even remember what you've posted. I'm just talking about this specific thread.

Hopefully this will get people to show up on Tuesday.

I'm not defending the company at all. This negotiations update was bad. A very bad sign of possible things to come. The way this place has been run this summer is also inexcusable. Our operation is a flat out embarrassment.

I'm just calling bluedriver out on his post. He seems to get satisfaction in the fact that he was right and others were wrong. When the reality of it is we're all in this together and it's negatively effecting us all equally.

I wasnt going after you at all RV, however, I am on the pessimistic side of the state of negotiations. A few of us have always believed that we are miles away from a TA and despite having most sections completed, that B6 would find a way to drag this out to mediation.
Although I wouldnt have said "I told you so", like BD did, I would say that its going more in the direction predicted by ATR/BD/87X/Riddle and me.
Of course it could wrap up by December or earlier, but do any of you optimists see incentive for B6 to do that when our own pilot group seems so willing to help the op out for their own short-term gain?
I hope I am wrong for my lack of faith.
Here comes another RSA :rolleyes:

Anyone read the negotiations update today?
 

Can anyone post cliff notes of the new update for those of us on the outside looking in?


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There was little progress in the last meeting. There's another meeting coming in a week or so.

Mediation-Labor dispute. B6 is a place to avoid. Be good to yourself and get to a real airline. Good luck.

...unless the company cancels the meetings.

Gup

The company's email stated that after a mediator is assigned, the negotiations would resume.

At this mornings rally, we were told the meeting had not yet been canceled.

Meetings now cnx by company....awaiting mediator to be assigned...

Any new about negotiation? How many hours is f/o flying a year or month, how much money taking home?

~no
~lots
~little

Lol.......

So true. Nothing else to say really.

Except the last negotiation update from 8/25 there WAS progress.

"The parties spent a portion of the time reviewing TAs and open issues with the mediator. The mediator has a tremendous amount of experience and was able to hit the ground running in assisting the parties. During the week we narrowed our differences on some of the remaining open issues"

Dunno about 320 FOs but 190 FOs are flying little. Bid divisor was min at 70.

Pay is still sh*t.

I concur with this. Even over the busy summer months the TLV was the lowest on the 190 JFK FO, meanwhile the 320 guys seemed to average about 10hrs higher. Movement on the 190 in JFK also has been relatively stagnant with 1yr & 3months of seniority netting reserve next month until the next tranch of seat locks expire. Just my observation.

Yes it might be 70 hours but the days are so unproductive or you work your butt off for three days and sit for one whole day not getting paid.

Excluding reserves, I don't know anyone with a line on the 190 not getting at least 15 days off per month. More like 16-18. Credit in the mid 70s. I have seen more trips lately that are closer in credit to the sh*t 10 hour 3 days but those still seem most prevalent on the 320.

Having flown both, the E190 is a lot more work. I mean a lot more. Not even close.

The one easier aspect on the 190 might be new-hire training...not that it means much if you study and put the effort it. Having gone through it a year ago, the Airbus guys seemed a lot more stressed and less likely to be seen downstairs for a beer or two.

Coming from the CRJ-200, I thought the 190 was the best thing since sliced bread. I have driving to work and the right seat of the Bus to look forward to in a year so, with the aforementioned statement, I'd say relatively speaking, things are looking up. :D (pun notwithstanding)

Yup the 190 guys were all at the bar in my class and the bus guys would be going by talking about laws and looking all stressed. I think it's just the "conventional" airplane to airplane vs the Bus and all of its rules. I do wish the 190 would go to better places. Oh and I would much rather have the bus flight deck. But initial training I would say the 190 is a super easy transition.