Not as bad as RSA but it lets the company know that this short-sighted pilot group will help out the operation for a short term gain @ 190% instead of real work/reserve rules that would be lasting. You cant fix stupid.
This is all moot- this T/A is at least a year away. No incentive for the company to present anything. Theyre not even afraid of picketing when theyre making so much on our current rates.
Wake up and move on guys. :cool:

It's one more way to help bail the company out from the understaffing problem the currently have. If you are in negotiations it's no waivers, no favors.

Here's a little secret for ya. Even the "big boys" have programs that offer pilots to earn 190 and 200% for trips they need covered. We need to stop shaming fellow pilots for taking advantage of what little opportunities we have to make a "market rate" living until a market rate CBA is put before us to vote on.

Stay focused and concentrate fire power on the correct target.

Heres a little secret for you Bunk- The "big boys" have decent contracts and are real airlines unlike the 3/4ths of an airline we work for.

they are the market rate. Once we have a contract I don't care what people pick up. Hence I said contract negotiations. It is sad that you even admit it takes making 150% to get close to a market rate.

So again. Until we get a market rate contract commensurate with those we wish to emulate, if there are opportunities to make money (VDA) that can bring in extra money in the short term, so be it.

Shaming those who pick up VDA trips doesn't get us any closer to the contract we want.....the more we divide, the better it is for the company.

What's sad is your reading comprehension.

Defending the company and try to equate it with a major airline is just as damaging to getting a CBA. I respect your right to defend B6, I just dont understand it Bunk.

In fact, it will only push a cba farther away. Just look at spirit. It's an illegal job action for you to suggest it Bozo. B6ALPA and this pilot group have done nothing but step correct to the company and the NMB. Please don't ruin it with your juvenile thinking and intimidation.

Does that make bunkers point wrong?

Im not suggesting anything Tom- What did I tell people to do?
Get a grip.
People can pick up anything they want, and we can have any opinion we want about it. :rolleyes:

Not wrong, its just incomplete. Do you see that PP? Im not going to waste time explaining it to you- Read the posts starting with the one before Bunkers post.

I'm not defending B6. I'm defending fellow pilots who are taking advantage of a F-d up system bestowed upon them the best they can until we get our contract. Stop trying to conflate someone doing something you don't like, with supporting the company.

Bunk,

That's Bozo's point. If guys were not picking up VDA and RSA they'd see that their W2's are sadly reflective of a regular effort.

The problem is more than just guys helping out and pitching in; its part of the culture that the company was founded upon. The company was born in a pretty $hittay period of airline and world history. Triggering premium pay rates at 70 hours meant working above and beyond was how it was done. That was also because the industry was bankrupt and the poor hourly wage, even at 1.5 times, was just about paying the bills. That's not the point. The point being that the company and pilots has always relied upon and planned upon pilots working above and beyond.

We'll get our CBA and Bozo is hardly suggesting anything illegal in regards to unauthorized job action. It's a personal choice to help out and pick up.

-Bubs

I should have been more clear. I was simply talking and should have referenced his point that big airline even with "proper staffing" have this type of thing.

Heres a little secret for you Bunk- The "big boys" have decent contracts and are real airlines unlike the 3/4ths of an airline we work for.

But for the record I have never picked up an RSA and agree we shouldn't be doing it.

I'll try to me more clear next time.

Totally agree. Especially about how these "habbits" started and the history of the company. That's a big deal we are changing how the company interacts with its pilots.

RSA's.......I pick em like eating cherry flavored Pez! LOL

That's funny. Staffing like that hasn't happened this entire year. The pause us reserves might get in Sept/Oct is not happening this year. Nothing to do with a hurricane , red after the first Pto window.

For those keeping track, and in case it's SSI:

Certain plane , certain seat: 13 required, 17 available on the 20th, but already 6 opentime "trips" = in the red, NET 11

Or defending it at every turn Bunker. :rolleyes:

Or piling on fellow pilots instead of directing your ire in the right direction, Bozo. :rolleyes:

You mean like getting to a real airline bunk? Or is it Defender F16? 😎.
I'm jkg- but let's be honest about this dishonest company. The fact is that the little helpers are what is preventing a timely CBA- do you see that? Or are you one of them? Serious question if you have the stones to answer Bunk.

Plenty of green most bases......Excuses?

How do you see multiple bases reserve grid? I can only see the base I'm in. So you're either in management or something I guess.

He wears a couple hats. Including a union one.

Or maybe....... just maybe......... I know a few pilots (not the same seat and/or equipment)....and wait for it.......... I called and asked them what the grids were that day?:eek:

Are you going? You flying that day?

Or just go on hellojb and look at it for any base or plane.

Hey brother...you want to be angry, you're certainly entitled to do so.....the company has given you tons of reasons to be ****ed off....I get it.....

Where we disagree is how we choose to deal with that anger.....I'm not going to be angry and any pilot who chooses to pick up any additional flying under any circumstances....I'm just not. I talk with guys about RSAs and how that hurts us with manning, but you know what, I'm pretty sure my talk isn't going to sway anyone one way or another. Young guys, maybe. But for the most part...not a damn bit a difference... I say what I have to say and move on.....

To answer your question......that depends on what you consider a "little helper"......I've never picked up an RSA. I have put in for VDAs, and flown a few that were to my benefit......VDA pay plus trips bought later in the month is usually what happens....

I'm pretty involved in the union.....P2P guy....on a committee voted by the MEC/LEC......so I sleep well at night knowing that I'm doing as much as I possibly can for this pilot group to ensure we get the best contract we possibly can as quickly as we can......

But what I'm not going to do is brow-beat guys who have different opinions as me, who act differently than I do or differently than I wish they did.....life's too short, man.......

We're going to get that contract and it's going to be a good one....I have zero doubt of that.......and until that day comes, I'm going to enjoy flying the the bubbas up front with me, have a few drinks on layovers, talk politics way too much and sports way to little.....then go home and kiss my kids and wife and enjoy the time I have with them.....

See ya in Boston on the 20th I hope......send me a PM and I'll buy your first beer there.

Cheers.

Bunk

I am right there with you. I don't get mad at people on the line with picking up rsa's but on here I'll tell people that I think it hurts us getting a cba sooner. It's the exact same thing I tell people on the line. Not mean about it. Just sorta matter of fact. I honestly don't think that people admit to it on the line.

Sounds good bunk. Im with ya on most of this sentiment.
I like the guys I fly with and I understand guys making extra $$, however, when they do that they are sacrificing their future earnings and QOL for a short term gain. Its shortsighted and Im on the money with this assessment- I hope you see that too.
I appreciate the optimism from you and some others here, but I do not share it- While this airline is allowed to operate on minimal staffing and pilot "good will", it has zero incentive to agree on any pay raise or expenditure. They will have to feel pain in order to change, like any organism. Tty 16.
bz

I have never requested an RSA but I'm thinking that I might just start requesting them because guys keep TALKING ABOUT THEM online.

When asked, I'll just say that until the guys online stop posting about RSAs (as has been requested over and over by our union), I'm going to keep picking them up.

Great reasoning- pick up work and be a crutch for the company to spite guys online while lessening the incentive for the company to provide commensurate pay/benefits and work rules.

Since you seem incapable of reading between the lines.

No, the reasoning, dip$hit, is to motivate people to $TFU about inciting a Job Action that'll get us an injunction.

That'll be far more damaging than any amount of RSA pickups.

Great comeback Irish:rolleyes:
Do you have any other names you wanna try out or is that simple mind only capable of insults?
Find where anyone has proposed any action.
Good night sweetheart:D

Fantastic turnout at the rally!

Ready to picket!

GP

No pictures from this one?

There will be

It was another awesome rally event. Great turn out. Solid message. The only sad thing were the excuses that pilots on their days off had and why they could not make it...........#itsourcareer

I know the Long Beach contingent is small, but can we do a west coast event?

I'm hearing 300+ at this event. Not bad for all the trash talked about Boston and their unity.