JetBlue attrition number by year?
 

The JetBlue airline profile needs to be updated with total retirements by year.

Does anyone have this information to share here? :D

Need to get someone really new to run the seniority calc. Year by year.

JetBlue attrition number by year?
 

The seniority list has everyone's retirement dates on it. Sort it by year.

I'll do it later when I get home if someone hasn't done it yet.


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I rode the graph down with a 3000ish seniority guy. This is probably pretty accurate within a +/-5.

Year- Retiring
2017-9
18-14
19-19
20-40
21-38
22-37
23-65
24-75
25-56
26-70
27-113
28-135
29-130
30-135
31-130
32-148
33-170
34-176
35-160
36.... I've lost interest

Thank you, I'll submit this to APC when you're able.

Thank you for the information. What is interesting is... these are 1295 people out of a 3400 person seniority list. This indicates that less than half of JB pilots retire by 2035.

Sounds about right.

Early this year in recurrent we were told that 28% of our list retires in the next 15 years.

AA was at 74%
UA, DL and WN were all north of 60%

Gup

Except we grow our list by 5% to 10% a year, not guaranteed but still adds up.

Only hope we have... well unless we get lucky and get bought by a true major (yes management team we think you guys can't lead us to the promised land)

With the horrendous operation we are having this summer, I am starting to doubt that we can keep growing at this point. Everyday is a first day at JetBlue. I just finished a 4-day and only one leg was out on time. All of the delays were internal and not ATC related as opposed to what management is trying to say.

What is/was a true major?

TWA
Eastern
Pan Am

Thank you for your career advice. You must know so much.

Very true, we are on track for 4000+ pilots by 2020

I personally feel we will be better off merging with a larger airline. I think the junior guys want it and the more senior guys don't.

^^^this ^^^^
So tired of the fumbling management here.

Hb, At this point, Id take any one of the legacies buying us and stapling us- Being a junior reserve at AA/UAL or DAL is still better qol than being a line holding FO with holidays off here at jetblew.
This place is getting worse. I appreciate the optimism of the apologists here, but let's add some reality.
Even if a TA comes sometime before the E2s or LRs/350s,:rolleyes:, they wont have near enough staffing to cover any real reserve or work rules.
Now, who owes me 100 in the bf fund by January 1st? ;)

Did you fly the line this summer? If so you know this management team has no direction for the company besides down. I've been pretty optimistic since I've been here but it's gotten to a whole new level. I enjoy working here I'm just not sure it'll be around the way it's going.

Only problem is the company is more profitable than ever. We may not like the way it has been going but the accountants seem to be happy.

Most of them will leave anyway as those other airlines are hiring, so it won't really matter.

Well, not jetblew thats for sure.

I can only imagine what was said to the pilot back in 1982 that interviewed and got hired at both SWA and Eastern....and took the SWA job. Good thing he was nit listening to his buddies?!

To be fair, I don't see any chance of UAL/DAL/AA going bankrupt anytime soon, nor do I see any labor disputes on the horizon like EAL had (ironically WE are the ones headed for a labor dispute). Their management seems to be trying to reach across the proverbial aisle and show their gratitude for the pilots' share of making record profits and doling out big raises unlike Lorenzo did back in the days you speak of. Eastern had a lot of debt, poor labor relations, and of course they had Lorenzo. Anything could happen in the next 20-30 years, but I think any pilot entering the 121 world is a whole lot better off at the big 3 than here. Comparing coming to JetBlue instead of a legacy today to going to SWA instead of EAL in 1982 is not a comparison worth mentioning since times and situations are so different.

Percentage movement on the seniority list at those 3 is, without argument from anyone, way better than here due to retirements and so many different fleets/bases. Those 3 airlines are making more money than we are. Those 3 airlines have way better networks than we have. Those 3 airlines have way better on time performance than we have. Those 3 airlines have better culture than we have at this point with management leading us to a labor dispute. Oh and those 3 airlines have way better bases than we have. Oh and I can't forget the most important thing to us pilots...they all have better contracts/pay/time off than we have.

Maybe when hybrid electric planes, potato farms, and customer service apps are more important than all those things listed above, I'll agree with your statement and comparison to EAL/SWA.

If you consider LGB/LAX & FLL/MIA to be colocated, our only base not covered by AA/UA/DL is MCO which seems to be fairly desirable on a relative base. Unless of course your idea of way better is anything in the middle of the country or Guam.

Yes middle of the country would suit me way better. I would love a non coast base.

Fair enough, I would imagine contract comparisons are a little less subjective than base options.

We are the lowest paid airline amongst our peers in the highest cost of living bases with probably the highest percentage of commuters (we get to work more and commute more) because most of us don't want to (read can't afford to) live in our bases. My idea of "better" is a base in which I can afford to live comfortably on JetBlue FO pay with my family. IAH/DFW/ATL/DEN/ORD/SLC/PHX/CLT/DCA/IAD come to mind, which is where a lot of guys I've flown with commute from. BOS is fine. MCO would be fine if it wasn't so senior. LA, NY, south Florida? meh. So yeah, I'll stick to my argument that the other 3/4 airlines have better base options unless you live near BOS.

Wait dca and Iad?

Ha ha ha

Yeah real cheap around these parts

But I am all for that DCA base :)

Yea so when a nor easter goes through, we now shut down 3 bases instead of 2.

Odd but it works.

Since the wx moves up the cost most of the time. You are not trying to DH crews down from a now closed BOS to a now open DCA.

With 30 flights and access to BOS MCO and FLL it can make it easy to move pilots around if need be.

What is the total number of departures for a combined IAD/DCA/BWI? Triple co-base once we have a CBA?

Problem is the mixed fleet.
But I would say around 45 ish
Yeah I agree it's not "JetBlue" enough but it sure would cut down on hotel costs and every time we have an IROP I wouldn't have CS calling to see if I would help out(note I do not the only way we get a base is if things keep Cx because of crew)

Not to mention all of the guys that live in the area(most with out a base)But none of this happens (if ever) without a CBA with displacement language.

AWAC reunion :)

Where have you been? They have hired about 2K each in the past 3 years. Most of Delta's new hires are in their 20's.

Most are in their 20's? I highly doubt that.

3 of the 4 FOs I worked with (a DAL regional) this month all had upcoming interviews at DAL. All 3 were on their 20s.

I know it's anecdotal, but I would guess the average age (from at least the regionals) is upper 20s. Of the 20 or so guys/girls I know personally that have been hired from where I work, I'd say 15 of the 20 were 20-something FOs. Just seems to be what Delta prefers right now.

Why the preference for less expierenced pilots? When I was hired at a regional 10 years ago, 1000 PIC min. was almost the only way to get a shot at the interview. It took me 7 years to upgrade and by then 1000 PIC wasn't the magic number anymore. Maybe I should hide my PIC experience ;)

Times have changed my friend. We were too late or too soon...

2001-2011 was essentially the lost decade of aviation. 10years of devestsated careers and lives in the industry. And now they wonder why there's a pilot shortage coming? Who doesn't think that paying 100-200k for education and experience to earn poverty wages with no career progression in sight is a great idea??!?

LCA I recently flew with told the story about a newhire on the narrow body fleet in ATL. Said new-hire was let go during IOE for supposedly blowing off walk-arounds. When confronted, said pilot said " I was a captain at my regional for over 10 yrs, and non-flying pilot always did the walk-arounds."

LCA supposedly says "well culture here at Delta is that Copilot does walkaround unless pre-arranged with the Captain, but in the absence of an arrangement, copilot walks"

Apparently new hire didn't think that was appropriate and wanted to start "changing culture". According to LCA, said new hire is no longer with Delta (could have been multiple factors as one supposes if a newhire really takes that stance, probably going to have other "culture" issues with the company).

I believe that bad attitude has little to do with being an experienced pilot. I am fairly certain that this individual was probably just as spoiled when he or she was a regional FO.

Delta prefers these young, inexperienced pilots so they can brainwash them. Plain and simple. It's the only reason they would take them over more experience and qualified candidates.

Absolutely, some pilots have a crappy attitude at year 2 and at year 22.

Luckily, the vast majority that I have worked with have a great attitude throughout their career.