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Old 04-10-2007 | 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by SikPilot
"High speed, just under V1 and the thing let go."

If that was at LGA it might have ended up with the plane in the water.
nah I saw a Delta 767 out of LGA blow one on rotation, no problem at all, declared an EMG and landed in JFK
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Old 04-10-2007 | 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyerJosh
Doesn't matter how short the runway at LGA is. V1 is adjusted for all criteria- weight, thrust, aircraft performance, runway condition, gradient, braking action, and runway length.

As long as you calculate V1 correctly and perform the appropriate abort/go decision and procedure in a timely manner, you will be protected (provided that the variables upon which V1 is calculated are all correct and the operating engine is producing the charted thrust).
So then runway excursions should never happen.

Of course many of the calculations come from the certification process where the pilots know they are going to have an aborted takeoff, the tires are new, the brakes are also new - and cool.

I remember a USAir 737-300 sitting in the water at LGA due to an aborted takeoff on 31 (1989 or so). As I recall, all of their calculations were correct.

The book doesn't take care of all variables in the real world.
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Old 04-10-2007 | 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by fireman0174
So then runway excursions should never happen.


I remember a USAir 737-300 sitting in the water at LGA due to an aborted takeoff on 31 (1989 or so). As I recall, all of their calculations were correct.

The book doesn't take care of all variables in the real world.

It does if you don't abort well beyond V1 in the case of the USAir flight.
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Old 04-10-2007 | 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by fireman0174

So then runway excursions should never happen.

Of course many of the calculations come from the certification process where the pilots know they are going to have an aborted takeoff, the tires are new, the brakes are also new - and cool.

I remember a USAir 737-300 sitting in the water at LGA due to an aborted takeoff on 31 (1989 or so). As I recall, all of their calculations were correct.

The book doesn't take care of all variables in the real world.

You're comparing apples to bananas. Any calculation of takeoff performance begins with certain assumptions. Reaction times and proper procedures are assumed in the process. Failure to follow the proper procedures, or mechanical failures not foreseen in the calculations will invalidate the outcomes. There's no argument on that point.


SikPilot implied that the numbers themselves would lie. He said that some numbers would say the airplane would not be able to stop on the runway at LGA.

Originally Posted by SikPilot

"should" is the key word. I would bet that even though some of the numbers say "the plane should be able" to stop, some would not. Anyone care to do the math? How short is the runway at LGA?

If the numbers themselves said that the airplane would not be able to remain on the runway for a reject performed according to procedures, then the takeoff should never be attempted. To suggest that a Continental crew would attempt such a feat would be irresponsible.




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