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BlueJetDork 12-13-2017 07:43 AM


Originally Posted by Cloud5urfer (Post 2482488)
There's a good chance we TA in January.

Same chance as me enjoying 15 minutes of silence from Salma Hayek.

Std Deviation 12-13-2017 12:27 PM

Honest question...what are we “informing” the general public about (specifically) in our “plight.” Because I’m Vinnie Bagadonuts driving my sanitation truck for 75K a year and with a little research I find out the average CA at Jetblue makes....say 220-250K a year but is clamoring about being underpaid because his high net worth colleagues at brand X make an extra 30K a year. Am I inaccurate in this perception (given my masters degree in psychology)?

I grew up in the UAW. There’s a little more sympathy if you’re talking autoworkers vs white collar professionals in the top 3-5% of wage earners. Or, white collar school teachers making 40K.

So what’s the strategy then? Greedy JetBlue is mean to the pilots by not giving them a bigger piece of the profits?

Hey, give me more money but it’s really tough for the general population to sympathize with my desire for more cash. So what’s the play with the ads then?

MovinUp 12-13-2017 01:41 PM


Originally Posted by Std Deviation (Post 2482823)
Honest question...what are we “informing” the general public about (specifically) in our “plight.” Because I’m Vinnie Bagadonuts driving my sanitation truck for 75K a year and with a little research I find out the average CA at Jetblue makes....say 220-250K a year but is clamoring about being underpaid because his high net worth colleagues at brand X make an extra 30K a year. Am I inaccurate in this perception (given my masters degree in psychology)?

I grew up in the UAW. There’s a little more sympathy if you’re talking autoworkers vs white collar professionals in the top 3-5% of wage earners. Or, white collar school teachers making 40K.

So what’s the strategy then? Greedy JetBlue is mean to the pilots by not giving them a bigger piece of the profits?

Hey, give me more money but it’s really tough for the general population to sympathize with my desire for more cash. So what’s the play with the ads then?

So...only because I know and am great friends with a number of DSNY gents - they do very well for themselves, are union and understand the same very basic premise that they serve a vital role in employing their employers resources that provides a service to over 8.5 million customers annually. Mind you, they cover their respective areas multiple times a week while we at JetBlue aid in the transport of nearly 14 million passengers in just the twelve months ahead of Spring of 2017.

Point is Vinnie Bagadonuts is doing very well for himself as a DSNY union represented employee and makes a killing more than 75k a year if they want to after they gain just one hint of seniority in their respective garages. Their premium pay and holiday pay blow a number of airlines’ compensation standards for flight ops employees quite easily out of the water. Including the pennies we at JetBlue are currently provided.

Otherwise, the general population doesn’t really care why we are picketing. The optics alone are powerful enough. If you don’t want to take part in acquiring what those who have came before me and those who will come after me deserve as professionals then that’s your prerogative but I hope you won’t attempt to still seek an answer of what good does picketing do in the eyes of the general population. Consider, perhaps for just a mere moment, that they are not the primary targeted audience. Good luck and be safe! In Unity...

Bluedriver 12-13-2017 01:43 PM


Originally Posted by MovinUp (Post 2482873)
So...only because I know and am great friends with a number of DSNY gents - they do very well for themselves, are union and understand the same very basic premise that they serve a vital role in employing their employers resources that provides a service to over 8.5 million customers annually. Mind you, they cover their respective areas multiple times a week while we at JetBlue aid in the transport of nearly 14 million passengers in just the twelve months ahead of Spring of 2017.

Point is Vinnie Bagadonuts is doing very well for himself as a DSNY union represented employee and makes a killing more than 75k a year if they want to after they gain just one hint of seniority in their respective garages. Their premium pay and holiday pay blow a number of airlines’ compensation standards for flight ops employees quite easily out of the water. Including the pennies we at JetBlue are currently provided.

Otherwise, the general population doesn’t really care why we are picketing. The optics alone are powerful enough. If you don’t want to take part in acquiring what those who have came before me and those who will come after me deserve as professionals then that’s your prerogative but I hope you won’t attempt to still seek an answer of what good does picketing do in the eyes of the general population. Consider, perhaps for just a mere moment, that they are not the primary targeted audience. Good luck and be safe! In Unity...

Well said.

Cloud5urfer 12-13-2017 02:34 PM


Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand (Post 2482516)
Where do you get this? If it was th phone call
Last night no where was th t ever implied.
You’re making things up.

Sounded like we're pretty damn close to me.

rvr1800 12-13-2017 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by MovinUp (Post 2482873)
So...only because I know and am great friends with a number of DSNY gents - they do very well for themselves, are union and understand the same very basic premise that they serve a vital role in employing their employers resources that provides a service to over 8.5 million customers annually. Mind you, they cover their respective areas multiple times a week while we at JetBlue aid in the transport of nearly 14 million passengers in just the twelve months ahead of Spring of 2017.

Point is Vinnie Bagadonuts is doing very well for himself as a DSNY union represented employee and makes a killing more than 75k a year if they want to after they gain just one hint of seniority in their respective garages. Their premium pay and holiday pay blow a number of airlines’ compensation standards for flight ops employees quite easily out of the water. Including the pennies we at JetBlue are currently provided.

Otherwise, the general population doesn’t really care why we are picketing. The optics alone are powerful enough. If you don’t want to take part in acquiring what those who have came before me and those who will come after me deserve as professionals then that’s your prerogative but I hope you won’t attempt to still seek an answer of what good does picketing do in the eyes of the general population. Consider, perhaps for just a mere moment, that they are not the primary targeted audience. Good luck and be safe! In Unity...

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Alterbridge 12-13-2017 04:32 PM


Originally Posted by Cloud5urfer (Post 2482908)
Sounded like we're pretty damn close to me.

Yes. To you. Your interpretation. It's incorrect. The number of open items in a negotiation is not proportional to the time that it takes to close those items.

Preeeeeeeeetty sure that a union's leadership doesn't want you or anyone else posting stuff on message boards for the company to see and interpret for their own use. Recommend that you don't do it anymore.

hyperboy 12-13-2017 04:56 PM


Originally Posted by Alterbridge (Post 2482966)
Yes. To you. Your interpretation. It's incorrect. The number of open items in a negotiation is not proportional to the time that it takes to close those items.

Preeeeeeeeetty sure that a union's leadership doesn't want you or anyone else posting stuff on message boards for the company to see and interpret for their own use. Recommend that you don't do it anymore.

I am not saying you are right or wrong but you are inaccurate with your statements. Please call a union rep, talk to a P2P from last nights call or go to a meeting. 21 out of 31.

Bluedriver 12-13-2017 06:12 PM


Originally Posted by hyperboy (Post 2482975)
I am not saying you are right or wrong but you are inaccurate with your statements. Please call a union rep, talk to a P2P from last nights call or go to a meeting. 21 out of 31.

What does to 21 out of 31 mean to you? What are you trying to imply?

And strangely, your posted response seems nonsensical relative to the post you quote, again.

atrdriver 12-13-2017 06:19 PM


Originally Posted by Alterbridge (Post 2482966)
Yes. To you. Your interpretation. It's incorrect. The number of open items in a negotiation is not proportional to the time that it takes to close those items.

Preeeeeeeeetty sure that a union's leadership doesn't want you or anyone else posting stuff on message boards for the company to see and interpret for their own use. Recommend that you don't do it anymore.

You are 100% irrefutably correct.

Hyperboy, incorrect.


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