I hope youre right.

But, that's not what was said. If you were on the call then you know you were told specific things. One of those was to NOT inflect your own opinion on what is going on. If you are a p2p guy then you are going a disservice to your union.

I was on the call. 21-31 means nothing. We've been 21-31 for about a year.

Did you guys even listen to Pat or Jeff?

Didn’t the union say that most of the open sections are almost done?

It doesn't matter! It's the same answer as the 21 of 31. As Cool said we've been essentially at 21 of 31 for almost a year. They can have 90% of language done on the last 10 sections and only be waiting on a plug-and-play final number on all remaining sections and it still doesn't mean we are close.

It's all about that remaining number (and language for rules). They can drag the negotiations out for years on just a few numbers!

It's not done until it's done and there is NO way to tell when that will happen based on open sections remaining or amount of words complete in the sections or stuff.

If the language AND the plug-and-play numbers aren't agreed to, there is NO way to make an accurate judgement of how long this will take.

Where on the spectrum are the plug-and-play numbers? Slightly below the legacies?

Why would we take below market rate?

If we knew... we’d have a vote.

And why would they be below? Same planes. Same routes.
Why not same pay?

If any of you guys who talk with MEC officers, or who are on the P2P committee and listened in on the last few calls, especially the last one, and don't have a feeling that we may be on the cusp of getting a AIP, then you believe what you WANT to believe, not what is actually going on. Some of you guys revel in your misery and hatred for this company and any positive momentum is counter-productive towards your agenda.

Does it mean we're going to have an agreement in the end of January? Of course not. But is it possible based on trends and momentum? Absolutely.

You're wrong with your characterization of me and maybe others. You're wrong that myself and others don't WANT good news. We do, but have seen this game at other companies and have been let down too many times here at THIS company to get our hopes up BEFORE a deal is done. They do not want to truly pay market rate and many of us are skeptical that they will agree to the final plug-and-play numbers required to satisfy our NC.

Can you seriously not understand that exact position for some of us?

FACTS, FEEDBACK, and UNITY. It’s right there on the card. No where does it say OPINIONS. I’m just as guilty as the next guy so I’m not pointing any fingers on here. But it was specifically requested on the last call to leave your opinions off the internet if you’re a P2P volunteer.

Fact: We actually have 20 of 31 sections TA’d not 21.
Fact: Two more mediated sessions in January
Fact: Picketing will take place on January 31st