Questions about JB
 

How long would a new hire expect to be on reserve ? Where is the jr bases and what aircraft are new employees being hired into?

BOS or JFK 190 or Bus. It’s luck of the draw. Don’t know what it’s like in the bus, but BOS 190 reserve is over a year.

Wait until we get a contract, though. It’s a dumpster fire right now.

To sum up 8 years at JB in 1 word. DISAPPOINTING.

2nd lowest paid airbus pilots in the US.


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RSV on bus at JFK was almost a year. BOS closer to 2 years. And currently being on RSV blows! Although I’m sure the guys that live in base don’t mind. As a commuter I couldn’t wait for a line.

Stay far away. This place is going to get much worse before it gets any better.

Sometimes I wonder if the people applying are unemployable at the big 3. It’s baflling to me...

I applied here because when I researched and asked (much of it on this site) I was advised jetblew had some small problems But otherwise a great place to work. The legacy’s were mostlyjust starting up hiring.

When I got here I found that to be mostly true. Over the past 4 years however it has gotten worse.....much worse.

Now, my former colleagues, that were envious of MY GREAT FORTUNE to get a call from jetblew, are now at Delta/AA/SWA, and ecstatic to be at such a great job after being whipped the last decade at a dying regional.

I got lazy and comfortable here, THAT IS ON ME AND I REGRET NOT BEING MORE AGRESSIVE WITH MY APPS. So here we are 4 years later and again, the death by a thousand cuts is occurring. Now it is becoming too LATE for me to move on.

If I were asking now....and getting THIS FEEDBACK, I would stay far away.

Great post. Every word of this post is also true for me. I was reasonably happy here at one point, now, um no....

This is a great honest opinion from a guy that has not been a negative burn-it-down guy.

I've noticed Southerner, LOWpayman and Hypergirl have been awfully quiet lately. Finally.

Apply elsewhere. You will thank everyone who posted above. Working here gets worse by the week.

What I'm trying to figure out is if this would be true with a new contract. That other post about the company offering less than Alaska pay makes me wonder.

And it was less than Alaska pay rates if we took concessions on our already terrible scheduling language.

Questions about JB
 

I'm only quiet because there's no point in engaging with your stupidity. You're a broken record. I see that you used your real name on JBLU Pilots, and you're not as much of a jackwagon over there...wonder why?


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There is a strike coming here. Mark my words.

The reality of what jetblew thinks we are worth is really starting to sink in, especially after this year's approximately 10% YOY PAY CUT. Profit sharing way down. Nothing but a new $hit sandwich every month.

They will not give us market rate unless we strike. It is obvious. Unfortunately I think we have a couple more years of getting jerked around before this reality sinks in with some of the optimists around here.

You're right. I'm saving for a strike.

New hires........can you afford our industry bottom first year pay and then be on the street for an unknown period of time?

Never even registered on that website Juicebox.

You're quiet because this place gets worse every week, and you're realizing that everyone else is finally coming to that realization.

Wheres the B6 defense South? Lets hear it...;)

I’d say JFK is most junior on the bus. There are folks in JFK with a line at about the 11 month mark. BOS is a few months behind at probably 14 months to a line. I would not go to JFK just to get the line a few months earlier though. In contrast I have a buddy on the 190 in BOS who has a line in February right at the year mark.

As for the airline itself here is my $.02 with about 18 months on property...
-if you have other, better options then take them. If you are stuck at a crappy place and JB is a little less crappy then by all means come on over. It isn’t a bad place to wait for a better option. Be prepared though $53/hr first year and you will not break guarantee on reserve. Four people from my indoc class have already moved on and most of the junior FOs I talk to have their apps out.
-I do think that we will have to strike or at least vote to strike before anything gets done. My bigger fear is that by the time that happens any good will that was left in the pilot group will be long gone and never come back. I think that the company really believes they can screw us around all they want and when the CBA finally happens that they can snap their fingers and everyone will be a big happy family again. That is not going to happen in my opinion because people are becoming very bitter.
-I think if we do strike it won’t last a week. The company just can’t afford to let that happen.
-I was at a crappy regional for a few months before coming here and this place seems to be ran by the same idiots that were running that place. We had a winter storm on 12/23 that was predicted in every weather model for a week but nobody thought to call in people to man the ice trucks. We were dead in the water that morning. This is just another day at JB.
-most of the pilot group are great people. I have yet to fly with a single person I wouldn’t want to fly with again. Although I did fly with a captain who said he thought he was already paid enough. Not a bad guy but he is at the top of the food chain and has lost sight of what is going on in the real world.

Choice of equipment
 

Is there any bid process for a/c or is everyone assigned what the company needs during indoc? Does anyone privy to the information know what a typical class drop looks like? Or better yet, what the actual last few have looked like?

Questions about JB
 

Your seniority is based on age in your class. So you bid on what is available based on that on day 1. If JFK bus is the only thing they need, that’s where everyone is going. Lately it’s been a few 190 slots in BOS and JFK but mostly bus JFK.

Appreciate the intel. What does a typical junior line look like on the bus and 190? Days off/length of trips/legs per day, etc.

That's easy, junior is VERY, VERY bad reserve rules. Seriously.

It’s like ALPA is running paid information campaign against the company on this forum. Captain Vladimir Canoll.

Do you have a class date here? Have you applied? Why the f would you apply here? Also, for space rangers we have 2 Soyuz slots and 2 shuttle slots. Soyuz usually goes junior. But really, every airline aircraft and base assignment is seniority based, based on vacancies. It fluctuates here, some classes are mostly bus, some are mostly emb, some are split. Most have NY/BOS vacancies.

I wish there was information that I could give that made this place sound awesome. Unfortunately there isn't any.

Just gathering intel. Nothing more, nothing less. To be clear, the bidding process varies by airline. Whether it be age, SS #, etc. Hence my line of questioning. Generally the most unhappy folks gather with their pitchforks and torches here on this forum and sing their sorrows so I’m not exactly looking for a sales pitch one way or the other. I’ve seen the billboards. Objective factual information is all I’m after.

I didn’t say “dis”-information, but it has to be better than Trans-States, Mesa, Commutair. And the contract will come.

Truth hurts.

Most will soon realize it is the new Rockridge.

It looks good from the street but then you move in and discover
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It's take most less than 6 months to see behind the curtain.

You? Probably never!

Compared to being eaten alive by a Lion being run over by a train is better.

When compared to the worst the not as bad is always better. Not as bad doesn't make it good.

What's jetBlue's reserve days off for a 30 and 31 day month? And what kind of typical line award do reserves get (eg, 5 on 3 off, 4 on 4 off, etc)

18 on in a 30 or 31 day month.

Looks like the bottom RSV in JFK A320 were 2,3 and 4 day off blocks in each line.

Problem is we don't know our first day RSA until around noon the previous day. I would count of 2:00am first day RSA. OAL can only flex RSA a few times per month. We can be moved from 2:00 to 18:00 for instance every RSV day.

It sucks!

On any reserve line, you don't know your reserve window for day 1 of reserve stretch until the day before? Or is that only for certain rsv lines?

That's for everyone on reserve for every day of reserve. It's supposed to be published by the company at noon the day prior, but it is routinely late, with no penalty to the company.

Contract Above All

And that reserve window could be 0230 or 1600, it is impossible to predict.

I will say it slowly!

Any

and

all

RSVs

don't

know

their

RSA

period

for

each

day

of

RSV

until

the day

prior.

It

sucks!

Whatever is needed the next day is what determines everyones RSA especially Junior RSVs.

Company owns 100% of the flexibility of the RSV system. This what the no voters voted for.

lol- Sounds like a management troll;)
Lets hear more wisdumb...

Ahh yikes, I understand. :eek:

That's awful.

That's what I said, and then some tool said it seemed like alpa had a paid negative campaign on APC. NO, it's just sucks THAT bad!

RockRidge.

Looks good from the street and then you open door and it is just a facade.

Mileage will very depending on who's looking in and what street they are looking from. Someone from a bottom barrel regional might see 3 year airbus pay and have their eyes light up. It's all subjective. But yes, JB pilots need to be caught up on the market rates and be paid accordingly. After your initial ~year or so on reserve, what does a standard line look like? As far as days per month/days per trip/legs per day. I know the contract blows but what is life on the line like..

Thanks