Why not? Both parties signed it therefore there is the assumption you did your due diligence to see thoroughly review it and thus it was not coercively signed. Court is not about "fair" or "right". Both parties signed it, thus end of story.

Besides, it would never see court. As things stand, the worthless PEA people seem to stand behind might as well be toilet paper because it goes to arbitration. In the kangaroo court environment of arbitration, the company will win. Remember 3A.

And even before that, JB will simply ask you to come in, admit that you didn't clean by re-iterating the policy, concluding by having you sign an admission of "guilt". This will go in your secret file that any company can keep since there is no legal restriction or endorsement of personnel files. The next time something happens, you get more paperwork. Eventually when they have enough "insubordination" (see the BJ "BlueBook"), you will be terminated.

All is to say that BJ does everything from a legal stance. They talk of culture and other MBA 101 B.S. but they have all their legal paperwork ready to go for every scenario. Meanwhile, we have all allowed it.

Oh.... Not good. 100% agree needs to be fully addressed in the CBA.

Yup.

No compromise. (hear that ALPA?)

We get what we demand or we strike.

You can search for it on your Ipad. It even makes it sound like they want you to clean while deadheading without specifically saying deadheading. It says traveling for leisure or ‘business’. Open to whatever interpretation as to what they mean by business travel. Does that mean I have to clean while deadheading after I just took a 6 hour long checkride?

Yup and that's part of the problem. There's no exceptions whatsoever written anywhere.

Of course the BIGGER problem is that it created precedent for them to conscript us to perform whatever task they wish us to perform by attaching it to some benefit or "privilege". If I can't commute, I can't get to work. I mentioned to Southerner where he would draw the line... if tomorrow they create online training (with the same 'sign here' clause at the end) that says all pass-riding, non-revving, business, or pleasure travelers would need to clean the toilet, what would stop them? I'm most unhappy that ALPA grieved that we didn't get paid for taking the training but did nothing to address the contractual obligation contained in the training.

Why not? Because it violates state and federal labor and tax laws. Just because you and I sign a contract does not mean it is LEGAL. Extreme case, but if I signed a contract to haul heroin for B6 that would not stand up because it is illegal. Having people provide labor for you without accounting for that labor, ensuring it meets minimum wage standards, paying social security, medicare and federal withholdings for it nullifies the contract.

I'm glad you said that. Would you mind asking this scenario question to the MEC? I get crickets or a diversionary answer (e.g. we grieved it --- they grieved not being paid for training -- the wrong thing).

Also, what do you think about FA's not being paid until the door closes? Or for that matter, isn't our pay only based in OOOI times? So our walkarounds and other pre-flight, post-flight activities are also uncompensated? I find it odd that we get paid for online training but not other activities. It's like they are picking and choosing or simply they've never been challenged by lawsuit. The common answer is "it's always been that way" but that's not an answer.

Your drug analogy is kinda funny so let me give you a somewhat lighthearted reply... :p:p evidently you can haul drugs if the CIA, DEA, FBI contracts you to... I know the military has been doing it for a long time although they are under their own laws.

§ 91.19 Carriage of narcotic drugs, marihuana, and depressant or stimulant drugs or substances.
(a) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this section, no person may operate a civil aircraft within the United States with knowledge that narcotic drugs, marihuana, and depressant or stimulant drugs or substances as defined in Federal or State statutes are carried in the aircraft.
(b) Paragraph (a) of this section does not apply to any carriage of narcotic drugs, marihuana, and depressant or stimulant drugs or substances authorized by or under any Federal or State statute or by any Federal or State agency.



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I have yet to hear of anyone being called in for not cleaning. Anyone here been harrassed by anyone other than an FA with the sarcastic “Thanks for the help!” ?

What matters is what is written, not anecdotal reports. Details matter. You can't pick and choose.

and we ALL have a vote! APC does not vote on our behalf?......

Do you even know how the process works? Are you new?

I do know all too well how it works. I patently reject the status quo. ALPA could be doing a lot more. They are 3 years too late on many accounts and our meeting schedule is a joke. The main problem is that ALPA is stocked with people who only know status quo, and even then only know the aviation world as practitioners. Why isn't ALPA attacking the RLA? We pay a fortune in dues yet the results are pathetic. Why is it that teachers' unions are far more effective on significantly abbreviated timelines? Yes, I know they aren't under RLA, obviously, but I am referring to their diligence in infiltrating lawmakers. Do I see our elected Union people, including national ALPA, trying to make daily appearances using the news media? Why aren't we doing daily letter writing campaigns to like change.org does? (I hate change.org, for the record). We have a ton of options that haven't even been considered or even imagined.

The Failure of the Railway Labor Act | OPERATION ORANGE

Have you actually read the RLA?

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/45/chapter-8

The timeline we are accustomed to is not maximizing the written law.

JAH, Yes, I just completed mine, and headed out for the drug screening today.

This Thread has become so off topic, its sad.

Can we get back to the topic at hand, and stop with all the other BS? I am sure there are other threads for it.

Any idea how long phase two is taking lately?

Not exactly, but it's pretty short and timely. You'll be in class soon. Congratulations

I interviewed on December 15th.
Phase II call and email on December 20th
Phase II complete on January 26th
March 21st class date.


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When you were advised you passed phase 2, did you get to pick a class date right away?

Usually. It's pretty fast.

Congratulations, welcome to the JetBlue experience, I think you will like it.

No. It’s been about a month between Phase 2 email/call and the call to assign your class date from what some friends have been telling me.

haha yeah completely off topic....

i did my drug test and got all my documents sent in yesterday as well.

now we wait some more...

best of luck!

I was told its been running 3-4 weeks. hoping for a quicker turn around though.

I don’t think that will happen. Classes slow down during the summer. Eventually it will slow.

for the background process? I was talking about getting through the background and PRIA stuff.

I received a call on February 21st informing me of my class date. I would say that almost four weeks to notify seems to be true. They just offered the 21st as an option.


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4 weeks from the time you submitted all your background paperwork to the call for class date??

and is that march 21st?

Yes March 21st. 4 weeks from my phase II complete email to the call for my class date. As for phase II I submitted everything by December 21-22 and got the phase II complete email on January 26th. So that seems to be closer to 5 weeks.


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well first off, congratulations! and thank you for the information. kinda gives the rest of us something to go by. and of course things are constantly changing but at least gives us an idea.

thanks!

Thank you. Good luck.


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You might have missed my post prior to your other one asking about the timeline, but I had posted this on the previous page.

yup, totally missed it.

thanks for the info!

My timeline is almost identical to RCDriver…

Dec. 15 Interview
Dec. 20 Welcome to Phase 2
Jan. 21 Phase 2 complete
Feb. 21 March 21st Class offer

So just a little over 3 months from interview to class date…

Doesn't matter where you heard it, as long as you know! ;)

I interesting thing on those dates above - a friend of mine was offered a March 15th class date, but he had to turn it down. The next class being offered (tentative) is April 21st.

good to know. thanks for the info!

sounds like they are doing at least one class a month. and was he in the december interviews?

Yes on the December interview. No on the 1 class a month, since he was offered Mar 15, turned it down, and was told to expect Apr 21. As per the post above, there was a Mar 21 class as well. Not sure he was offered that. Or maybe it's already full. Not sure.

anyone else dying from anxiety yet?

If you’re dying from anxiety waiting to come here, you’re gonna be really dead waiting for a contract and waiting to be treated/compensated like a professional airline pilot.

and my question to you is, if its really that bad why are you still at JetBlue?

If you are coming from outside the 121 world, I get why you’d ask such an ignorant question. If you are currently flying 121, your question either illustrates your lack of understanding the industry or your desire to further anger an unhappy pilot group. Feel free to PM me if you don’t understand.

Spot on.
Filler.